2015-04-05T00:25:54 *** Masaaki_Kagura_ is now known as Masaaki_Kagura 2015-04-05T01:24:45 *** Shinmera has quit IRC 2015-04-05T01:44:55 *** Xoxx has quit IRC 2015-04-05T02:06:09 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T02:13:45 Nmlgc, can't sleeP? :D 2015-04-05T02:22:04 *** Masaaki_Kagura has quit IRC 2015-04-05T02:22:16 Just woke up. :) 2015-04-05T02:22:30 fullmoon right? 2015-04-05T03:18:55 *** Etarius has quit IRC 2015-04-05T03:28:58 buzzykins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti00MUfOaZ0 2015-04-05T03:28:59 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: Touhou Patch Center postmortem #RealTalk - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2015-04-05T03:34:32 I've been wanting to do this for a while. 2015-04-05T03:34:56 It's probably going to suck, since I can't pull off a quality livestream due to internet connection and, uh, language issues, no one cares about Touhou patching (not translation, patching) anyway, and the expected content will probably hurt the project more than it would help it. 2015-04-05T03:35:58 But well, Nazeo recently popped up again, declared himself the new manager of the patching project, and thought that such a stream was indeed a good idea, so here we are. 2015-04-05T03:37:33 I expect this to be mostly a whining session about how everything and everyone is terrible (but mostly ourselves). 2015-04-05T03:39:07 However, it could very well be that some of the, um, "executive meddlers" who had control over this whole thing for the past 8 months and did next to nothing will pop up and turn this into something constructive after all. 2015-04-05T03:42:30 But I'll probably just shout at everyone in front of the expected single-digit viewership, because the aforementioned issues still remain, and we've already lost ~13 hours and counting of telling people that this would be a thing because Nazeo forgot to announce the exact time. 2015-04-05T03:44:23 (We didn't get more than a single-digit number last time, when the stream was about the very uninteresting topic of demoing the almost completed PC-98 English translation patches for the first time. Really, who cares about that shit?) 2015-04-05T03:49:40 (And unprofessional presentation combined with a host who apparently embodies the 4chan definition of "maximum autism" is going to scare away those few people as well.) 2015-04-05T04:26:11 *** Shije has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T04:26:24 *** unlableable has quit IRC 2015-04-05T04:29:37 *** Shije is now known as unlableable 2015-04-05T06:51:23 >"executive meddlers" who had control over this whole thing for the past 8 months and did next to nothing will pop up and turn this into something constructive after all. <-- heh 2015-04-05T09:22:07 *** Shinmera has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T09:22:33 *** Shinmera has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T11:14:41 Nmlgc: 504 Gateway Time-out 2015-04-05T11:14:46 thpatch.net 2015-04-05T11:17:44 seems up now 2015-04-05T11:25:29 OllyDB -> OllyDbg in https://thpatch.net/wiki/Talk:Touhou_Patch_Center#Current_Project_Goals 2015-04-05T11:26:03 apparently i have no restoration email set in my wiki account 2015-04-05T11:26:45 oh, i finally got the password right 2015-04-05T11:30:02 Oh, apparently they're still doing the MySQL database backups every day at 9 AM UTC, which causes the wiki to become inaccessible for ~15 minutes. 2015-04-05T11:30:23 A~nd thanks for the correction. :) 2015-04-05T11:31:27 *** Xoxx has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T11:44:33 *** Etarius has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T14:07:22 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2015-04-05T14:29:22 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T14:55:23 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfvQf2XsQ-Z0mlKvryuZsw3rdVsl2qw4aNEQhJxK65k2lgp4A 2015-04-05T14:55:30 For joining the stream conversation. 2015-04-05T14:55:50 You will be able to ask text-only questions as well, though. :) 2015-04-05T16:09:43 *** zertap has quit IRC 2015-04-05T16:15:00 *** zertap has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T18:06:14 *** Masaaki_Kagura has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T18:12:29 Happy Easter! 2015-04-05T18:23:20 *** zertap has quit IRC 2015-04-05T18:28:47 *** zertap has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T18:48:46 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T18:59:11 Nazeo! \o/ 2015-04-05T18:59:27 Nazeo \ò 2015-04-05T19:16:54 i have failed you all 2015-04-05T19:16:56 :< 2015-04-05T19:20:46 * Ruusento hugs Nazeo <3 2015-04-05T19:20:58 too kind, too kind 2015-04-05T19:21:15 Yes, indeed. 2015-04-05T19:21:38 I know exactly how to fix this though. 2015-04-05T19:22:12 By coming up with a scientific thesis on how to tackle the problem proposed by the stream! 2015-04-05T19:23:03 Oh, and people would read those? 2015-04-05T19:23:07 *this? 2015-04-05T19:24:03 I have people 2015-04-05T19:24:05 c: 2015-04-05T19:24:09 Remember 2015-04-05T19:24:12 I can make noise 2015-04-05T19:24:18 If i really needed to 2015-04-05T19:24:43 Thanks, but nice music might be preferable in that case. 2015-04-05T19:24:51 *shots fired, again* 2015-04-05T19:25:04 U.N Owen, right? 2015-04-05T19:25:05 ~ 2015-04-05T19:25:39 I'm dispensing hugs 2015-04-05T19:25:48 w/e 2015-04-05T19:26:26 Thanks, I prefer 3DPD though 2015-04-05T19:26:28 But hugs are nice! 2015-04-05T19:26:38 GG 2015-04-05T19:27:32 Actually, recent studies show that U.N. Owen can be used in a non-objectionable way. 2015-04-05T19:29:11 In srs, how would that go? 2015-04-05T19:30:19 By not associating it with a 2D vampire loli and instead use it as a reference to McDonald's or Ronald McDonald, which is way more appropriate given the composition and instrumentation of the piece, the song gains a warm, fuzzy and comfortable layer of nostalgia. 2015-04-05T19:30:26 *instead using 2015-04-05T19:31:05 *using it in reference to 2015-04-05T19:31:30 亡き王女の為のセプテット is still utter garbage, though, no study's gonna change that. 2015-04-05T19:33:14 Soooooo, get away from source material basically? 2015-04-05T19:33:27 > Source material 2015-04-05T19:34:57 Anyway, I'm not going to discuss the canonical overlap between Dolls in Pseudo Paradise (which is still the best thing ZUN has ever put out (as of May 2011, of course)) and Embodiment of Scarlet Devil. 2015-04-05T19:35:53 (But no, really, fuck TH06, everything about it is garbage) 2015-04-05T19:39:54 Oh dear 2015-04-05T19:40:16 Is it because the westernization of it compared to the other games/ 2015-04-05T19:40:18 *? 2015-04-05T19:41:05 It's because of 東方紅魔郷.exe and the grief that this naming choice has caused us filthy gaijin. 2015-04-05T19:41:47 In assembly? 2015-04-05T19:42:16 (Together with 紅魔郷CM.DAT, 紅魔郷ED.DAT, 紅魔郷IN.DAT, 紅魔郷MD.DAT, 紅魔郷ST.DAT, and 紅魔郷TL.DAT.) 2015-04-05T19:43:45 It's because this game signifies the birth of ZUN's disregard for safe usage of the C runtime library, with the unsafe sprintf() calls and whatnot, which still PERSIST TO THIS FUCKING DAY. 2015-04-05T19:43:58 (And no, PC-98 hardly used the C runtime at all.) 2015-04-05T19:44:01 *PC-98 Touhou 2015-04-05T19:44:25 Wait, this is in the later games too? Including the double digit ones? 2015-04-05T19:44:31 YES! 2015-04-05T19:44:56 Why don't you know this already? 2015-04-05T19:45:05 And why do you call yourself a manager of Touhou Patch Center in this position? Urgh. 2015-04-05T19:45:48 In my defense, I have been more of the logistical side of things rather than code analysis :u 2015-04-05T19:46:36 It's because this game chose to be compatible with 3dfx Voodoo graphics cards, which were already outdated by 2002, and their ridiculous limitation of textures having a maximum size of 256x256 pixels. 2015-04-05T19:47:57 Didn't you make a picture or something that was generated to show the full palette use? 2015-04-05T19:48:02 Which leads to ZUN manually splitting EVERY rendered string on the 32th byte. 2015-04-05T19:48:26 (And yes, even though I used to be a proud owner of such a card (Glide <3), I should have been made to suffer a way lot more for it.) 2015-04-05T19:49:32 It's because, as mentioned above, it's music is shit and doesn't hold a candle to Dolls in Pseudo Paradise at all. 2015-04-05T19:49:41 *its 2015-04-05T19:50:08 Hmmm. I remember your remix list... That should be a thing. 2015-04-05T19:50:31 Thought the one played with all of them in a single loop would be made harder and harder with each passing game 2015-04-05T19:50:36 It's because the gameplay is nothing special at all. It's still better than TH02, the objectively worst Touhou game, but combined with all the other things... 2015-04-05T19:51:53 It's because its graphics were so crappy to prompt a (STATIC) retexture patch, effectively forking the game into two distinct skins any translations would have to imitate. 2015-04-05T19:52:18 That sounds hard :< 2015-04-05T19:52:25 It's because NO INSTANT RESTART GAME WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE MAIN MENU AARRRGHHH-. 2015-04-05T19:55:06 Nmlgc, what is now the point of a 3dfx-card? i don't understand the matter … :/ 2015-04-05T19:57:01 They were a major brand of 3D graphics cards in the late 90's (when those things were still referred to as "3D accelerators"), but they went bankrupt as soon as Nvidia started to make good cards. 2015-04-05T19:57:20 So yeah, these days, there's no point to them at all. 2015-04-05T19:58:27 And finally, it's because of the immortal memes and waifu material this game has caused, overshadowing most other games. 2015-04-05T19:58:30 no … i mean, what is the problem for the restoration … is the code/engine still not posible to restore? 2015-04-05T19:59:01 Um, we don't decompile Windows Touhou. 2015-04-05T19:59:10 It's just that it makes this shit kinda not trivial to patch. 2015-04-05T19:59:21 ah okay 2015-04-05T19:59:48 And I have procrastinated spending that 1 week to make it patchable with thcrap since, uh, September 2012. 2015-04-05T20:00:11 3dfx cards used to work even on PC-98? :o 2015-04-05T20:00:25 lolnope 2015-04-05T20:01:10 So I don't know anything about this C-Bus thing and if it was even possible to put them into a PC-98... 2015-04-05T20:01:30 But the point is that you don't want to swap out the GPU of a PC-98, because that's kinda what makes it a PC-98. 2015-04-05T20:01:56 Just so we are all in the know; I'm going to be writing a piece on the stream and how to come up with a viable, realistic working methodology. 2015-04-05T20:02:07 ETA on that, probably when I head back home 2015-04-05T20:02:27 Whoa, nice. 2015-04-05T20:04:34 Nice. So I take it we will be expecting Urban Legend in Limbo at Reitaisai next month? 2015-04-05T20:16:11 *** Tosiaki has quit IRC 2015-04-05T20:17:20 *crickets* 2015-04-05T20:17:42 I guess this is the time where I should go to sleep. \o 2015-04-05T20:17:56 gn8 2015-04-05T20:18:25 Nini \o 2015-04-05T20:18:33 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2015-04-05T20:33:45 ... in .de it's still 8 PM 2015-04-05T20:33:47 :o 2015-04-05T20:34:09 yes … 20:34 2015-04-05T20:47:17 He has rl things 2015-04-05T20:47:21 Must sleep for them...! 2015-04-05T20:53:24 *** Tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T21:57:06 *** Myrtle has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T21:57:35 ひさしぶりだな 2015-04-05T22:05:13 Hello~ 2015-04-05T22:06:17 *** Myrtle_ has joined #thcrap 2015-04-05T22:06:39 so uh... yesh oAo 2015-04-05T22:07:32 owo 2015-04-05T22:07:58 *** Myrtle has quit IRC 2015-04-05T22:08:23 what changed since i died o3o ? 2015-04-05T22:08:47 Reorganization really! 2015-04-05T22:08:55 Nmlgc did a stream detailing the history 2015-04-05T22:09:12 oh cool 2015-04-05T22:09:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti00MUfOaZ0 for your viewing 2015-04-05T22:09:21 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: Touhou Patch Center postmortem #RealTalk - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2015-04-05T22:14:27 hmm~ 2015-04-05T23:28:07 *** Myrtle_ has quit IRC