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2013-05-24T00:19:07  <natsurou> let's see...
2013-05-24T00:21:20  <natsurou> WTF u.U
2013-05-24T00:21:33  <natsurou> >1000
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2013-05-24T00:22:24  <Nazeo> \o
2013-05-24T00:22:28  <Nazeo> Check e-mail
2013-05-24T00:22:31  <Nazeo> :c
2013-05-24T00:23:01  <Nmlgc> Great! Will set it up later.
2013-05-24T00:23:29  <Nazeo> Mhm. Working on Copy-pasta Translations ono
2013-05-24T00:23:38  <Nazeo> And... you said I had templates to set up
2013-05-24T00:25:37  <Nmlgc> The most important ones would be {{thcrap Format}} (I have absolutely no idea how to design this nicely) and {{thcrap Game info}}, which needs some kind of infobox to display its content.
2013-05-24T00:27:53  <Nazeo> Hmm...
2013-05-24T00:28:24  <Nazeo> Alright I'll start creating the notepads on the DB, then do part by part on the wiki to show rate of progression.
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2013-05-24T00:28:42  <Nazeo> I will submit on the wiki as each major change is made.
2013-05-24T00:29:05  <Nazeo> However, I would need to know the parameters desired for each template.
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2013-05-24T00:29:35  <Nmlgc> They are already in place on the respective pages :-)
2013-05-24T00:29:44  <Nazeo> ...oh
2013-05-24T00:29:48  <Nazeo> Derp derp derp
2013-05-24T00:37:10  <Nazeo> So... what sort of fields people are going to care about. I am looking at http://thpatch.net/wiki/Th06 and it has the font, org title, release... so what else should it include?
2013-05-24T00:37:11  <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: 東方紅魔郷　～ the Embodiment of Scarlet Devil (th06) - Touhou Patch Center (at thpatch.net)
2013-05-24T00:38:27  <Nmlgc> Ideally, nothing else but a prominent link to Touhou Wiki for more information?
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2013-05-24T00:38:55  <Nazeo> Ah, and then some fancy design to bring it all together?
2013-05-24T00:38:58  <Nmlgc> Yes.
2013-05-24T00:39:27  <Nmlgc> {{{format_msg}}} could be linked to Patch:Base TSA/Formats#{{{format_msg}}}
2013-05-24T00:39:51  <Nazeo> Got it.
2013-05-24T00:40:00  <Nmlgc> ... except, of course, that we will later have games not made by TSA.
2013-05-24T00:40:11  <Nazeo> Eh. If switch should suffice.
2013-05-24T00:40:20  <Nmlgc> Nope, let's go fancier.
2013-05-24T00:40:30  <Nazeo> Ah?
2013-05-24T00:41:12  <Nmlgc> I'll try to write a new parser function that returns the patch a certain page is assigned to.
2013-05-24T00:41:25  <Nazeo> Oh, cool!
2013-05-24T00:41:48  <Nmlgc> So, you could link it to Patch:{{thcrap_patch_of_page}}/Formats#{{{format_msg}}}
2013-05-24T00:42:00  * Nazeo nods.
2013-05-24T01:03:36  <Nmlgc> Hmm... http://vps-1136153-17116.manage.myhosting.com/ isn't such a nice URL.
2013-05-24T01:03:47  <Nazeo> D:
2013-05-24T01:04:24  <Nmlgc> If you want to, you can direct a subdomain of any of your existing domains to the server's IP (192.30.164.77).
2013-05-24T01:04:39  <Nazeo> Ah, roger!
2013-05-24T01:05:21  <Nmlgc> You know, like "thpatch.edgeofperspective.net" or whichever of your projects you want to advertise this way.
2013-05-24T01:05:52  * Nazeo nods.
2013-05-24T01:13:14  <Nazeo> Done.
2013-05-24T01:13:19  * Nazeo works on templates
2013-05-24T01:32:58  <Nmlgc> OK, I'm _really_ doing something wrong here. SSHFS is just as slow on this server.
2013-05-24T01:33:48  <Nazeo> What is SSHFS?
2013-05-24T01:33:51  <linkmauve1> Check your CPU usage, it could be using an encryption scheme your CPU isn’t good at.
2013-05-24T01:34:11  <linkmauve1> Nazeo, a network filesystem using SSH and FUSE.
2013-05-24T01:34:42  <linkmauve1> It’s what I use for every file transfer at home.
2013-05-24T01:34:45  <Nazeo> Sounds... fun.
2013-05-24T01:34:52  <linkmauve1> Like watching anime, listening to music, etc.
2013-05-24T01:34:55  <Nmlgc> Nope, that's not it.
2013-05-24T01:36:57  <linkmauve1> Nmlgc, when you do it on localhost, is it fast?
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2013-05-24T01:39:41  <Nmlgc> Yep, as fast as this connection gets upload-wise.
2013-05-24T01:42:51  <linkmauve1> And when you use another protocol, is it fast? Like python2 -m SimpleHTTPServer in a directory with a big file, then wget.
2013-05-24T01:51:21  <Nmlgc> Yeah, that's pretty fast, too.
2013-05-24T01:56:03  <Nmlgc> Hmm, let's try curlftpfs
2013-05-24T01:57:44  <linkmauve1> I found it not that reliable.
2013-05-24T01:57:51  <linkmauve1> Way less than sshfs.
2013-05-24T01:58:20  <linkmauve1> If you do find the reason why it is slow, I’m interested too.
2013-05-24T01:58:28  <linkmauve1> But I’m going to sleep, good night. \o_
2013-05-24T01:58:33  <Nmlgc> \o
2013-05-24T01:59:17  <linkmauve1> Btw, today I added joystick support to PyTouhou, and made it configurable to prevent the mess of different joypads having different mappings.
2013-05-24T01:59:35  <linkmauve1> I also made keyboard configurable while I was at it.
2013-05-24T02:16:09  <Nmlgc> Hmm, scp is fast, too
2013-05-24T02:16:24  <Nmlgc> (from my to Nazeo's server)
2013-05-24T02:19:53  <Nmlgc> ... oh well, I give up. We'll try that again the other way round once the wiki is moved.
2013-05-24T02:20:52  <Nmlgc> Seems as if FUSE is to blame.
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2013-05-24T03:47:30  <Nazeo> Little sister logged me out
2013-05-24T03:47:32  <Nazeo> >:C
2013-05-24T03:49:40  <Nazeo> What color was the wiki again?
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2013-05-24T04:10:22  <Nmlgc1> Um... #cdade0?
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2013-05-24T04:29:32  <Nazeo> Thanks!
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2013-05-24T05:48:02  <Nmlgc> So~ The next #newtouhou livestream is going to start in 46 hours and I still haven't designed the page... :-(
2013-05-24T05:48:36  <Nazeo> And you are so busy... :c
2013-05-24T05:48:40  <Nmlgc> Oh well, at least I'm happy with the engine now.
2013-05-24T05:49:44  <Nazeo> Yaaay
2013-05-24T05:50:24  <Nmlgc> I'm still a bit concerned about the fact that patches should be allowed to have DLLs, though.
2013-05-24T05:51:05  <Nmlgc> What if we get hacked, someone places a maliciously crafted DLL, and owns thousands of Touhou players?
2013-05-24T05:52:12  <Nazeo> We do place secruity pretty high on our list. Therefore they might want to check the hash as well as the places where we KNOW for sure the files are legit. Other than that, it would not be any different than a normal file download on the internet, correct?
2013-05-24T05:53:20  <Nmlgc> Well, if _we_ get hacked, then that one place we KNOW isn't so sure anymore. That's what I mean.
2013-05-24T05:54:18  <Nazeo> Ooooooooooooooh.
2013-05-24T05:55:36  * Nmlgc removes the feature
2013-05-24T05:55:54  <Nmlgc> We aren't forced to use it, and it doesn't work with self-updating right now, anyway.
2013-05-24T05:56:01  <Nazeo> Mmkay.
2013-05-24T05:56:21  <Nmlgc> The only problem left now is that the patcher can't update itself.
2013-05-24T05:56:41  <Nazeo> ...
2013-05-24T05:56:53  <Nmlgc> ... which, again, would pose the same problems as the DLL thing.
2013-05-24T05:57:10  <Nazeo> Do we have an "off-switch"?
2013-05-24T05:57:17  <Nmlgc> As in... ?
2013-05-24T05:57:17  <Nazeo> Like, have def-con levels or something?
2013-05-24T05:57:28  <Nmlgc> def-con levels?
2013-05-24T05:57:32  <Nazeo> Stop auto-updating and streaming-
2013-05-24T05:57:35  * Nazeo goes to show.
2013-05-24T05:57:59  <Nazeo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON
2013-05-24T05:58:00  <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: DEFCON - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2013-05-24T05:58:02  <Nazeo> IRC has one.
2013-05-24T05:58:19  <Nazeo> http://www.irc-wiki.org/Anope_Tutorials#Defcon
2013-05-24T05:58:22  <Nmlgc> Yeah, the user could stop updating by writing "update": false into the patch.js of every patch.
2013-05-24T05:59:21  <Nmlgc> Hmm, we don't need that complexity.
2013-05-24T05:59:38  <Nazeo> :s
2013-05-24T06:00:00  <Nazeo> This is sort of srs stuff...
2013-05-24T06:01:19  <Nmlgc> A nag-screen solution is still the best way to deal with this, anyway.
2013-05-24T06:01:37  <Nazeo> Whelp.
2013-05-24T06:01:53  <Nmlgc> By the way, we can also do this with regard to the games themselves. That's what the {{{latest}}} parameter of {{thcrap Patch info}} is for.
2013-05-24T06:02:08  <Nmlgc> I implemented it after you gave me all these old versions of the games :3
2013-05-24T06:02:53  <Nmlgc> If ZUN releases an update and we added support for it, it will show a nice message box for every thcrap user that is still using the old version. It also directly shows the download URL.
2013-05-24T06:03:17  <Nazeo> Okay, that's awesome.
2013-05-24T06:04:57  <Nmlgc> I'll probably implement this for the patcher itself during the first hours of the stream~
2013-05-24T06:05:28  <Nazeo> So~ Excited?
2013-05-24T06:05:42  <Nazeo> ( I'm so asking this during the broadcast~ )
2013-05-24T06:05:54  <Nmlgc> Pretty much.
2013-05-24T06:06:48  <Nmlgc> This time, the broadcast will be the other way round.
2013-05-24T06:07:03  <Nazeo> Ah?
2013-05-24T06:07:26  <Nmlgc> Instead of us giving information to the people, I expect people to give us all information we need for patching. Because I will be too busy doing last-minute coding and hacking practice stuff.
2013-05-24T06:07:43  <Nazeo> Ah, great idea!
2013-05-24T06:07:55  <Nazeo> But ah
2013-05-24T06:08:25  <Nazeo> Expect people to ask for a netcaster for HM. Or PoDD. :/
2013-05-24T06:13:29  <Nmlgc> Ah, right.
2013-05-24T06:13:42  <Nmlgc> Actually, you _could_ probably do Internet natively on a PC-98.
2013-05-24T06:13:52  <Nazeo> ?
2013-05-24T06:14:21  <Nmlgc> Or why else would they bundle a slew of mid-90s internet applications with the PC-98 edition of Windows 95?
2013-05-24T06:14:41  <Nazeo> ...good point.
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2013-05-24T06:39:34  <Nazeo> I have decided Template designing is hard. :/
2013-05-24T06:39:38  <Nazeo> Rarararararara
2013-05-24T06:40:02  <Nmlgc> C'mon, it can't be harder than finding an artist.
2013-05-24T06:40:13  <Nazeo> :P
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2013-05-24T07:27:57  <linkmauve1> Nmlgc, about security, just sign the files.
2013-05-24T07:28:27  <linkmauve1> With gpg or something, it should be enough for most people.
2013-05-24T07:28:48  <linkmauve1> And good luck to an attacker if they want to fake your signature. :D
2013-05-24T07:30:49  <linkmauve1> That’s the choice made by all GNU/Linux distributions about packages security.
2013-05-24T07:31:27  <Nmlgc> Ah, alright.
2013-05-24T07:31:42  <Nmlgc> I just don't have any experience at all with this kind of thing.
2013-05-24T07:32:18  <linkmauve1> Do you know the concepts of asymetric encryption?
2013-05-24T07:35:31  <Nmlgc> Yeah... I just didn't realize that I could use it for this sort of thing. But thanks, I'll try that out. :-)
2013-05-24T07:38:16  <linkmauve1> I didn’t find any relevant link about how Debian or ArchLinux are doing it.
2013-05-24T07:40:24  <linkmauve1> But basically instead of encrypting the data with the public key of your recipients so that they need their private key to decrypt the message, you make a hash of the data, encrypt it with your own private key, bundle that with the clear text data, and then the recipients have to decrypt the hash with your public key, if that match they know for sure nothing happened.
2013-05-24T07:42:04  <linkmauve1> I would use gpg for that, but I know it doesn’t come with Windows so you’d have to bundle it.
2013-05-24T07:42:34  <linkmauve1> Maybe something TLS-based would be lighter, but then I’ve never seen that in use.
2013-05-24T09:15:30  <nurupo> will be listening to the stream :)
2013-05-24T09:15:51  <Nmlgc> We will have a video stream this time.
2013-05-24T09:16:02  <nurupo> might as well tag some people from #touhou
2013-05-24T09:17:37  <linkmauve1> Where will it be? And readable with a simple video player like mplayer? I don’t want to install flash or some other crap like that.
2013-05-24T09:18:12  <Nmlgc> Justin.tv, but we will upload it to YouTube later.
2013-05-24T09:18:21  <Nmlgc> So yeah, Flash...
2013-05-24T09:18:57  <Nmlgc> (and yes, we'll _really_ upload it this time)
2013-05-24T09:19:19  <linkmauve1> I’ll wait for youtube then.
2013-05-24T09:19:31  <linkmauve1> Thanks. :)
2013-05-24T09:20:20  <nurupo> you will use the same website, i presume? http://whereismynewtouhou.info/ :)
2013-05-24T09:20:21  <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: [IT'S OUT] "wer iz mai new 2hu?" - th135tr edition (at whereismynewtouhou.info)
2013-05-24T09:20:28  <Nmlgc> Yes.
2013-05-24T09:20:52  <nurupo> okays
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2013-05-24T09:52:29  <nurupo> wasn't tosiaki talking at some point that he tried to create "derivative works culture" in the u.s.?
2013-05-24T10:24:40  <nurupo> nevermind :)
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2013-05-24T15:10:32  <Nmlgc> http://www.whereismynewtouhou.info/201-3/
2013-05-24T15:10:33  <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: "wer (dafuq) iz mai new 2hu?" 201-3: 'Double the dealing, triple the anticipation' edition (at www.whereismynewtouhou.info)
2013-05-24T15:10:35  <Nmlgc> What a cluttered mess.
2013-05-24T15:11:33  <Nmlgc> (this is not the final URL, so don't post it yet)
2013-05-24T15:11:44  <Nmlgc> (... oh well, go ahead)
2013-05-24T15:12:12  <Nazeo> People will be too busy looking at all the things to notice said "mess"
2013-05-24T15:12:14  <Nazeo> :)
2013-05-24T15:24:50  <Nazeo> Something happen?
2013-05-24T15:24:54  <Nazeo> 403'd
2013-05-24T15:25:07  <Nmlgc> Yes, I'm moving~
2013-05-24T15:25:14  <Nazeo> Ah
2013-05-24T15:30:42  <natsurou> :-)
2013-05-24T15:31:05  <Nmlgc> I'm done. http://www.whereismynewtouhou.info/
2013-05-24T15:31:06  <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: "wer (dafuq) iz mai new 2hu?" 201-3: 'Double the dealing, triple the anticipation' edition (at www.whereismynewtouhou.info)
2013-05-24T15:31:10  <Nazeo> \o/
2013-05-24T15:31:23  <Nazeo> I'll make with the Hype.
2013-05-24T15:31:30  <Nazeo> In fact
2013-05-24T15:31:35  <Nazeo> Nmlgc, make a twitter post.
2013-05-24T15:33:27  <linkmauve1> Already shared on various Jabber chatrooms interested in it.
2013-05-24T15:33:47  <Nazeo> Yaaaay~
2013-05-24T15:34:24  <natsurou> same for Spanish community rooms
2013-05-24T15:34:55  <Nazeo> :D
2013-05-24T15:38:37  <natsurou> btw, can be the Japanese → Spanish ver avaiable for translation as well?
2013-05-24T15:39:11  <Nmlgc> We put up the Japanese texts once, and then it's automatically available for translation into any language.
2013-05-24T15:39:52  <linkmauve1> I’ll try to motivate a friend that do Japanese->French translations.
2013-05-24T15:40:01  <natsurou> ok
2013-05-24T15:41:36  <natsurou> oh, as an introduction, I'm from a certain latin touhou community
2013-05-24T15:42:06  <natsurou> some of our members have already assisted on translations in the past (Ilea, Minick)
2013-05-24T15:42:27  <Nazeo> Ah~
2013-05-24T15:42:36  <Nazeo> Nice to see you here ^_^
2013-05-24T15:43:07  <natsurou> but this time I promised them that I'll do a Jp->Sp as fast and accurate as possible
2013-05-24T15:43:50  <Nazeo> With thpatch's engine, you can do exactly that :)
2013-05-24T15:55:13  <Nmlgc> And now, I can finally sleep. \o
2013-05-24T15:55:29  <natsurou> p/
2013-05-24T15:55:50  <natsurou> o/ (^_^;)
2013-05-24T15:56:03  <Nazeo> \o
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