2013-05-16T01:05:05 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T01:27:14 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T02:37:21 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T02:46:11 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T03:23:10 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T04:02:31 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T04:45:13 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T05:13:54 *** albel727 has quit IRC 2013-05-16T05:14:03 *** Ruusento has quit IRC 2013-05-16T05:14:42 *** albel727 has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T05:15:23 *** Ruusento has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T05:17:05 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T05:30:32 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T06:09:29 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T06:11:25 \o 2013-05-16T06:14:24 \o 2013-05-16T06:15:05 So yeah. I'm now officially behind schedule with the pre-Reitaisai preparations. 2013-05-16T06:15:20 What makes you say that? 2013-05-16T06:15:49 RL causing an irregular sleeping rhythm. 2013-05-16T06:15:55 :c 2013-05-16T06:17:05 At this point, it is likely that the users' comfort will massively suffer. 2013-05-16T06:17:19 ? 2013-05-16T06:17:23 They might even *gasp* have to write the JSON run configurations themselves! 2013-05-16T06:17:24 I'm more worried about you. 2013-05-16T06:17:30 Whoa. 2013-05-16T06:19:00 No, no, I'm fine. I do enjoy pushing myself, but if I don't get the time to do so... 2013-05-16T06:19:20 If you say so... :c 2013-05-16T06:33:56 Hey everyone. Here: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=2GIMgD_gShU 2013-05-16T06:33:58 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: Seite 1 der Kommentare zu 東方VocalBGM _Bad Apple!! feat. nomico_【原曲_ Bad Apple!!　】 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2013-05-16T06:34:14 "... some bizarre drive to create massive amounts of art for a..." ← one of the comments I read there. 2013-05-16T06:34:42 Yes, it may seem very bizzare for us non-Japanese people but I have a very good idea as for what this drive is: the community, and the creation of stories shared among such a community (in Japan, the primary form being comics). And what is the thing that people find inspiring about such stories? Well dare I say it? I would say that indeed romance is a big part of why people can feel strongly about such f 2013-05-16T06:34:42 an-stories. Well, any sort of showing of deep emotion is a part of it, but love seems to play a central role. Although you said earlier that you "don't buy into shipping at all," it is my belief that if you can take "love" seriously, then you can find true value in it. And that's why I believe that this "comic-making activity" I am attempting to start can have such a positive impact on society. 2013-05-16T06:35:12 ... "although you said earlier" was because I copy-pasted this from a chat. I intended to remove it (now I'm embarrassed about this mistake) 2013-05-16T06:36:01 Anyone here? 2013-05-16T06:39:08 << (not anymore) 2013-05-16T06:39:13 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2013-05-16T06:42:39 i'm here for a while (before i sleep once more) 2013-05-16T06:54:49 Well, I guess I shall repeat it again when people are awake. 2013-05-16T06:58:24 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T07:01:52 I am here. 2013-05-16T07:06:54 Hi, yesterday I wrote a pure SDL video backend for PyTouhou, it will serve as a base for the PC-98 games. 2013-05-16T07:07:25 Nice! 2013-05-16T07:07:27 But it currently works with EoSD too (disabling the backgrounds, of course). 2013-05-16T07:08:12 That way, even people without OpenGL acceleration can enjoy EoSD. :) 2013-05-16T07:08:39 Especially on non-x86 devices where the lack of a proper OpenGL driver is frequent. 2013-05-16T07:09:51 :o 2013-05-16T07:16:31 *** GreaseMonkey has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T07:16:31 *** GreaseMonkey has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T07:18:00 Nazeo: so I guess that my previous comments sorta continue off of previous comments I made here. 2013-05-16T07:18:17 Mm? 2013-05-16T07:18:19 I mean, the comments I made an hour ago continue off of the comments from a few days ago. 2013-05-16T07:20:38 Although I have always known it for one reason or another, I always thought of it as a "quirk" or "feature" of such an "independent culture" as I have talked about a few weeks ago. But the more I think about it, the more it seems like the genre of "romance" seems to be actually quite central as the reason for why the necessary passion exists to create an independent culture, not just something that comes 2013-05-16T07:20:38 with it. 2013-05-16T07:20:53 Hmm? 2013-05-16T07:21:07 Huh... 2013-05-16T07:21:22 What are you trying to explain? 2013-05-16T07:23:12 Hmm... I guess that I have for a long time thought about what would be the motivation for why people would want an "independent culture." There have been some calls to, for example, boycott Hollywood I have seen here and there related to the SOPA protests back then, but previously, I have always thought that the primary motivation for creating an independent culture was simply to be "free." 2013-05-16T07:24:27 Because they want something to call their own, yes. 2013-05-16T07:25:04 *** DeltaSierra4 has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T07:25:20 Well, I guess that perhaps this has been enough motivation for the hippies back then with all their independent newspapers and other stuff like that that sprang up... at least for when there was lots of passion for the hippie movement. 2013-05-16T07:27:18 However, recalling something from this: http://thpatch.net/chat/freenode/%23thcrap/%23thcrap.2013-04-20.log as Nmlgc mentioned earlier, "it all comes down to the fact that there is really no demand for that type of culture. The US seems to be pretty happy to have Hollywood, as well as countless other people all around the world." 2013-05-16T07:28:32 >:C 2013-05-16T07:28:37 Bah Hollywood 2013-05-16T07:28:54 But now I think I realize what could be a primary motivator for creating an independent culture. Something that is not simply a "reaction to bad things around us." 2013-05-16T07:30:49 I realised this only a few weeks ago, but I am now convinced that it is something very much related to the genre of romance. 2013-05-16T07:32:03 That's an unusual connection you have. 2013-05-16T07:32:23 Yes, so would you like to hear how I thought up of such a connection? 2013-05-16T07:32:33 * Nazeo nods. 2013-05-16T07:33:35 Well, for a long time, I have thought a lot about what kinds of "independent culture" we already have, from youtube videos to other things. And this led me to the conclusion that stories are the most powerful since they can create their own world, not merely remix. 2013-05-16T07:34:33 Mm. 2013-05-16T07:34:55 But, with the doujin culture with Japan in mind, I also additionally concluded that stories by themselves are not powerful enough, since they don't have enough "attraction." So by adding visual media to the mix, comics would be the most logical format for creating an "independent culture." Of course, this was evidently influenced by thinking about the doujin culture in Japan. 2013-05-16T07:36:01 However, what I struggled with was, "what exactly is it that would tie such a culture together as a community" and "what is it that would create the necessary passion for people to spend a whole lot of hard work on it" 2013-05-16T07:36:08 Why not videos? 2013-05-16T07:36:16 Or another medium? 2013-05-16T07:39:28 Videos are fine, for example, the hand-drawn videos on Nicovideo. The key point is in "creating new things rather than just remixing." If you mean videos taken with a camera, well, I guess that there are a lot of cosplay skits on YouTube... I just get the feeling that somehow, drawing is central to this - especially when you are going to do situations that might be impossible to "act out" without expensi 2013-05-16T07:39:28 ve special effects. Especially if it may contain stuff that people might not even want to act out. 2013-05-16T07:40:13 I guess that this is an example of such a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFQa3UcqzVM ← although like this, it's not any different from a comic. 2013-05-16T07:40:14 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: Hey, Youmu [Touhou Manga] (1TG) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2013-05-16T07:41:55 In any case, as I said earlier, my struggle was in thinking about what would tie such a culture together as a community. 2013-05-16T07:42:26 After all, plenty of people do comics. Even still, I can't say that they form an "independent culture" just because they do comics, even if they gather together at social gatherings. 2013-05-16T07:42:59 What about those who draw? 2013-05-16T07:43:00 .. 2013-05-16T07:43:01 Erm 2013-05-16T07:43:02 Can not 2013-05-16T07:44:16 They can be taught, since I haven't seen anybody who absolutely cannot do it, except for one person who said he had a condition with the steadiness of his hands. It's just a matter of willingness. 2013-05-16T07:44:53 Hm... 2013-05-16T07:45:09 So to create a community, I thought: perhaps to create dialogue, it might be more effective if everybody did comics about the same characters. 2013-05-16T07:50:25 Even so, it still seemed to be missing something. And after going through some LiveJournals and InsaneJournals a few weeks ago, among other places, I realized (I'm still trying to think about how I realized it) that one thing I and many other people feel strongly about is romance in such stories. 2013-05-16T07:50:53 What if your ideals are not the same? 2013-05-16T07:52:18 Hmm? The same as what? 2013-05-16T07:52:59 The same as the people around me? 2013-05-16T07:54:07 I'm a bit confused by your question. 2013-05-16T07:54:24 What if what they believed in was not the same as you did? 2013-05-16T07:55:04 What kind of beliefs are you referring to? 2013-05-16T07:55:17 Ok so 2013-05-16T07:55:34 What would compel your group to band together like this and not do their own thing? 2013-05-16T07:56:12 Yes, that is what I struggled with for a long time, as I said earlier... 2013-05-16T07:56:41 And I first thought that it would be enough if people did comics about the same characters, but that did not feel to be enough. 2013-05-16T07:57:43 When I realized that if there is something I certainly felt strongly about, and what others felt strongly about, its the subject of romance in such stories. 2013-05-16T07:59:28 And I think I realized it because if there is one thing about the world that glimpses into the "doujin culture" have led me to, it's views on relationships that were especially strong. 2013-05-16T08:00:12 But do people empathize with their creations? 2013-05-16T08:00:28 I feel you have people live themselves through their characters. 2013-05-16T08:02:01 That is most certainly undeniable. But I think that this is one of the merits of this: that if people can feel sympathy for fictional subjects, and "experience" things that they would not otherwise have, then they can have the necessary passion to carry this forward - and perhaps this could also lead to a positive impact on society as well. 2013-05-16T08:02:16 Ok 2013-05-16T08:02:19 Say I make a chara 2013-05-16T08:02:22 And you make a chara 2013-05-16T08:02:33 Do we grow closer because we have those charas act? 2013-05-16T08:02:45 I almost say this would be a "Roleplaying" thing 2013-05-16T08:04:12 I guess. Although perhaps I did leave out the fact that making stories about the "same characters" actually meant mostly making them based on existent well-known ones (the current subject is the VOCALOID characters), so that we have a solid basis for all this. (My previous idea were characters from a show, but that idea was scrapped since it takes too long to watch a show.) 2013-05-16T08:04:41 But even supposing that we make the characters ourselves... 2013-05-16T08:06:44 Perhaps it's "Roleplaying" if everyone decided what their own character would do, but I'm thinking of comics done by individuals, so you would control all the characters, not just one. 2013-05-16T08:10:47 In doing things this way, I guess it enables different people to feel sympathy for the same character, and not just the one that they would "play." If everyone created their own character, I would have difficulty imagining how this would scale up to a community with hundreds of people, since people would have little in common like that. 2013-05-16T08:11:59 Hmm... 2013-05-16T09:37:10 *** albel727 has quit IRC 2013-05-16T09:41:37 *** albel727 has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T10:42:29 *** fsvgm777 has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T10:42:34 *** DeltaSierra4 has quit IRC 2013-05-16T13:05:48 *** GreaseMonkey has quit IRC 2013-05-16T13:39:03 *** Twidona has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T14:07:19 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2013-05-16T14:20:59 *** Twidona has quit IRC 2013-05-16T14:44:28 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T14:44:42 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T15:29:28 *** fsvgm777 has quit IRC 2013-05-16T15:35:13 *** fsvgm777 has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T15:39:36 linkmauve1: nice. i myself want to try playing with SDL or Allegro sometime this summer, after i finish a project in Qt :) 2013-05-16T15:40:05 What do you plan to do? And what is your current Qt project? 2013-05-16T15:42:13 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T15:42:49 just planning on messing around, learning lib's api by writing something like Snake. the Qt prject i'm working on right now is a lobby application for one 2d online videogame 2013-05-16T15:43:16 Ok. 2013-05-16T15:43:43 If you choose SDL, be sure to pick the 2.0 one, the 1.2 is terribly outdated. 2013-05-16T15:44:39 actually, i already worked with SDL alittle while contributing to some opensource games and i would like to see Allegro more 2013-05-16T15:47:27 Ok, tell me how they compare when you’ll know them more. :) 2013-05-16T15:48:06 I found porting our whole engine to SDL really easy, I was able to do that in just a few hours. 2013-05-16T15:49:21 just video/audio with controls, without any networking, right? 2013-05-16T15:50:03 Yeah. 2013-05-16T15:50:26 We do have a branch with networking, but it isn’t anything near usable for everyone. 2013-05-16T15:51:05 We are mainly lacking an initiation protocol, and error recovery. 2013-05-16T16:20:28 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T16:51:01 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T17:03:02 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2013-05-16T17:23:16 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T18:05:42 <[Bot]MagicStone> Here's what Twitter has to say: 2013-05-16T18:05:43 <[Bot]MagicStone> Quwanti -- @thpatch That's nice! I would really like to do some image editing. 2013-05-16T18:41:29 *** Twidona has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T19:01:36 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T19:29:23 *** DeltaSierra4 has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T19:37:00 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T19:43:16 >:C 2013-05-16T19:43:21 * Nazeo paps Nmlgc. 2013-05-16T19:43:26 I saw. 2013-05-16T19:46:54 I mean, it could _theoretically_ be possible. 2013-05-16T19:47:12 But the way it was done is >:C 2013-05-16T19:47:36 Well, what do you expect from Touhou Wiki. 2013-05-16T19:48:42 *** Nazeo_Aelko_Neze has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T19:49:19 (07:47:36 PM) Nmlgc: Well, what do you expect from Touhou Wiki. 2013-05-16T19:49:44 They could have, idk asked you. 2013-05-16T19:50:22 I mean, how is that bothering anyone? I fail to see the issue. 2013-05-16T19:51:50 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2013-05-16T19:58:05 *** DeltaSierra4 has quit IRC 2013-05-16T20:00:25 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T20:11:00 *** linkmauve1 has quit IRC 2013-05-16T20:29:14 *** DeltaSierra4 has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T20:31:16 *** Nazeo_Aelko_Neze has quit IRC 2013-05-16T20:33:41 *** DeltaSierra4 has quit IRC 2013-05-16T20:40:10 *** DeltaSierra4 has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T21:10:34 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T21:58:34 *** DeltaSierra4 has quit IRC 2013-05-16T22:42:50 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T22:43:11 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T22:44:15 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2013-05-16T22:50:41 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T22:53:49 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T23:07:52 *** DeltaSierra4 has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T23:27:11 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T23:32:31 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T23:39:01 *** KyoriAsh has quit IRC 2013-05-16T23:39:09 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T23:40:50 *** KyoriAsh has joined #thcrap 2013-05-16T23:56:44 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2013-05-16T23:58:20 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap