2013-01-11T00:05:30 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2013-01-11T00:06:09 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T00:21:20 Nazeo: \0 2013-01-11T00:21:35 \o 2013-01-11T00:39:27 *** fsvgm777 has quit IRC 2013-01-11T02:34:15 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T03:42:41 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2013-01-11T06:03:13 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2013-01-11T06:12:56 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T06:22:20 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T06:23:22 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2013-01-11T06:48:55 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T06:58:37 *** Nazeo_Aelko_Neze has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T06:58:44 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2013-01-11T07:43:33 *** albel727 has quit IRC 2013-01-11T07:44:05 *** albel727 has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T08:46:49 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2013-01-11T09:35:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNsjIS5qV1c for your idling souls~ 2013-01-11T09:35:42 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: 【東方ボーカル】 「アモリタチテカミトミユ」 【Syrufit】 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2013-01-11T10:55:51 *** fsvgm777 has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T11:43:17 *** Nazeo_Aelko_Neze has quit IRC 2013-01-11T11:53:17 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2013-01-11T14:40:33 *** Suzuran has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T14:44:54 *** Nazeo_Aelko_Neze has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T14:45:38 \o 2013-01-11T14:45:43 *** Nazeo_Aelko_Neze is now known as Nazeo 2013-01-11T15:28:04 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T15:28:19 \o 2013-01-11T15:28:23 \o 2013-01-11T15:28:30 thpatch: "Unknown error: "tpt-unknown-page" (unknownerror)" 2013-01-11T15:28:43 Where? 2013-01-11T15:28:48 Tony got that while trying to change the En side 2013-01-11T15:29:01 When? 2013-01-11T15:29:06 I'll ask 2013-01-11T15:29:42 A MediaWiki update caused problems yesterday, but it should all be fixed by now. 2013-01-11T15:29:55 Ah... I hate those 2013-01-11T15:30:45 He tried again 2013-01-11T15:30:47 Same effect 2013-01-11T15:31:05 * Nazeo should pull him in here 2013-01-11T15:31:13 I sure do hate telephone. 2013-01-11T15:31:14 That would help. 2013-01-11T15:39:30 *** TonyUK has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T15:40:15 Alright. TonyUK, could you give me the exact page where that problem occurs? 2013-01-11T15:40:43 ah, hi there nameless o/ 2013-01-11T15:41:05 Here: http://thpatch.net/w/index.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&taction=translate&group=page-Fairy+Wars%2FStory%2FRoute+B&language=en&limit=1000&task=view 2013-01-11T15:41:06 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: Translate - Touhou Patch Central (at thpatch.net) 2013-01-11T15:41:15 Keeps saying "Unknown error: "tpt-unknown-page" (unknownerror)" 2013-01-11T15:42:00 Found a misspelling & can't change it for some reason or other :/ 2013-01-11T15:42:22 OK, trying to fix it... 2013-01-11T15:43:00 Huh, someone wants to keep "HARRY UP": http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,13903.msg934480.html?#msg934480 2013-01-11T15:43:01 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: PC-98 Touhou English patches (are almost completed!) (at www.shrinemaiden.org) 2013-01-11T15:43:17 Nazeo, if I say "patch stacking", I think you know what to do. 2013-01-11T15:43:26 * Nazeo nods 2013-01-11T15:43:33 Go in guns a-blazing? 2013-01-11T15:43:54 ... maybe not that brutally. 2013-01-11T15:43:58 But yeah. 2013-01-11T15:43:59 :P 2013-01-11T15:44:03 Roger~ 2013-01-11T15:54:19 I just got a different error: "Unknown error: "1" (unknownerror)" 2013-01-11T16:11:06 Yep, fixed! Cheers Nameless :) 2013-01-11T16:11:42 Yay. Seems like I just had to re-create the message index. 2013-01-11T16:12:56 @post ... and after yet another fix, translation should now _really_ be working again. 2013-01-11T16:12:58 <[Bot]MagicStone> Nmlgc: Tweet sent. 2013-01-11T16:20:06 Speaking about PC-98, there's another, rather controversial thing I'd like to implement. 2013-01-11T16:20:15 What would that be? 2013-01-11T16:20:28 Namely, getting rid of the .hdi images and just pointing the emulator to a directory where it reads the files from 2013-01-11T16:20:39 Eeeeh... 2013-01-11T16:21:01 I say go for functionality. 2013-01-11T16:21:23 ( So yeah, I agree with doing that ) 2013-01-11T16:21:40 Peeps may have to just deal :s 2013-01-11T16:22:01 Don’t get rid of it, but as another “format” it’d be really cool! 2013-01-11T16:22:38 We have done the same thing in PyTouhou, it doesn’t require an archive to work, a simple directory is fine too. 2013-01-11T16:24:01 It’s not controversial at all if it’s only an option. 2013-01-11T16:35:34 I'm a bit scared of having to add .hdi support to the patch "installer", though. 2013-01-11T16:36:22 Due to difficulty, stability, or vulnerabilities? 2013-01-11T16:36:50 Difficulty... which really only means "lack of experience" 2013-01-11T16:38:45 Hmm... the way I see it is in 2 ways. 1. You get the hang of it. 2. Someone else picks up on it as the whole thing will be open sourced anyway. 2013-01-11T16:38:56 And it doesn't go too well with the convenient nature of the project to just go "OK, so here's the patched game data according to your language configuration, now open your .hdi disk editor of choice and drag these 20+ files into the root directory" 2013-01-11T16:39:05 Ah... 2013-01-11T16:39:08 And there's that 2013-01-11T16:39:11 :/ 2013-01-11T16:39:42 The fact that they even need to be in the game directory is bad enough for me. 2013-01-11T16:41:55 A~h, we should just have waited for PyTouhou to come that far -.- 2013-01-11T16:43:04 I mean, someone has already asked us to add netplay to PoDD while we're at it 2013-01-11T16:59:20 hdi are simply hard disk images with some header, once you know msdos’ mbr and fat16 you are good. 2013-01-11T16:59:39 Yeah, I read as much. 2013-01-11T16:59:48 So maybe it's not too bad after all. 2013-01-11T17:00:10 ... So I just wrote up a tentative schedule for these patches, and all these image converters are really only the second-to-last point on there 2013-01-11T17:00:27 On Linux it couldn’t be easier, but from my memory of 10+ years on windows manipulating images wasn’t that easy. 2013-01-11T17:01:08 But if you first support only already mounted images, I don’t think anyone would protest. 2013-01-11T17:01:54 PoDD netplay? Is there even network emulation in any PC98 emulator? :D 2013-01-11T17:02:36 There isn't. Which is why this could only be done by PyTouhou, if at all. 2013-01-11T17:04:35 I already have some small utilities to parse and display various th2-5 formats, but it needs some more RE work before even trying to assemble them to make a game. 2013-01-11T17:16:51 Hmm. Since I'm writing this announcement right now... 2013-01-11T17:17:03 With us doing... well, everything, what is there left for xJeePx to do? 2013-01-11T17:17:14 I can only think of image editing. 2013-01-11T17:48:26 I wish we could be as cool as the bsnes developer when it comes to the .hdi issue. 2013-01-11T17:48:27 http://byuu.org/bsnes/legacy-formats 2013-01-11T17:48:28 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: byuu's homepage (at byuu.org) 2013-01-11T17:49:02 Yeah, his emulator (which I'm using) uses game folders. 2013-01-11T17:49:09 tl;dr: "Here's your perfect SNES emulator, but I'm forcing my own, way more sane, ROM format upon you in order to use it" 2013-01-11T17:54:07 By the way, quite a bit of ROM hackers (especially from SMW) are not happy that byuu enforces his own ROM format for his emulator. 2013-01-11T17:54:22 Personally, it doesn't bother me. 2013-01-11T17:59:47 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T18:03:49 By the way, he also made an article as to why emulator accuracy matters. 2013-01-11T18:03:53 http://byuu.org/bsnes/accuracy 2013-01-11T18:03:54 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: byuu's homepage (at byuu.org) 2013-01-11T18:04:25 (this is for SNES, but it applies to every platform, even PC-98) 2013-01-11T18:04:36 (this is also why I hate Anex86) 2013-01-11T18:05:37 And that's exactly why we shouldn't force anything upon anyone at this point. 2013-01-11T18:06:30 Because Xnp2, the fork I'm modifying, is definitely no fmgen build. There are quite some notable synchronization and lag issues. 2013-01-11T18:13:13 If only the fmgen author provided the source code... 2013-01-11T18:20:34 ..my goodness, the sound in Anex86 is so terrible... 2013-01-11T18:23:30 Alright. Translation bug? Fixed. Announcement? Written. Pasta? Imported. Time to go to bed. \o 2013-01-11T18:23:39 Night! 2013-01-11T18:23:40 \o 2013-01-11T18:26:41 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2013-01-11T18:50:12 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T19:25:37 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2013-01-11T19:52:34 @later tell tosiaki "I have a question regarding the article about Alice in the wiki, it refers to Alice being inspired from Alice from Asura Blade: Sword of Dynasty. What is the source of this statement?" <-- You put it there, do you have a source for this? 2013-01-11T19:52:34 <[Bot]MagicStone> Suzuran: The operation succeeded. 2013-01-11T20:13:12 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T20:17:44 fsvgm777, but isn’t xnp2 GPL? It’s a violation of the license to provide a binary without the source code. 2013-01-11T20:25:15 xnp2 and np2-fmgen are forks of Neko Project II, and according to its readme, it is not GPL. 2013-01-11T20:25:28 (there is no LICENSE.TXT either) 2013-01-11T20:31:47 True, it says in HLP/termsofuse.html: ねこープロジェクトIIのソースコードは 修正BSDライセンスとします。 2013-01-11T20:34:01 I don’t think I understand the next sentence correctly though, “コア部分とWindows/MacOS9部分については 再配布時の著作権表示の義務はありません。” 2013-01-11T20:35:13 Does it say there is no obligation to give the source code when redistributing a Windows/MacOS9 binary? 2013-01-11T20:35:46 I'm not too well versed into Japanese, unfortunately. 2013-01-11T20:41:13 The first sentence says it’s licensed under a BSD license, it doesn’t precise which one though, but they don’t enforce copyleft so it’s legit to not provide the source code. 2013-01-11T20:41:53 *** TonyUK has quit IRC 2013-01-11T20:42:57 And Xnp2 too, I was wrong. 2013-01-11T20:43:25 Yay for communication! 2013-01-11T20:51:39 After some investigation... 2013-01-11T20:51:41 格闘ゲームのアリス（ネクロマンシー）をみ 2013-01-11T20:51:42 てちょっと付け加えてみました 2013-01-11T20:51:46 That is from the omake.txt. 2013-01-11T20:52:12 In other words, the source for saying that Alice is based off of Megami Tensei is in the same paragraph as the one that said she was based off of Asura Blade. 2013-01-11T20:52:29 omake.txt of which game, EOSD? 2013-01-11T20:52:59 The one for Mystic Square. 2013-01-11T20:53:08 K, thanks 2013-01-11T20:53:17 http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mystic_Square/Translation/Other 2013-01-11T20:53:19 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: Mystic Square/Translation/Other - Touhou Wiki - Characters, games, locations, and more (at en.touhouwiki.net) 2013-01-11T20:53:54 Here is the relevant paragraph from that page: 2013-01-11T20:53:57 とりあえずさておき、今回の東方怪綺談にはアリスというキャラが出てきます。 2013-01-11T20:53:57 　　で、それがどうしたかっていうと、私は最近アリスという言葉をよく耳にします。 2013-01-11T20:53:57 　　まぁ、そんな気がしただけ。今回のアリス像はエスプのクローンではなく、六本 2013-01-11T20:53:57 　　木のアリス（理解者理解）。女神転生のですよ。ほんとは、ルププパウ（某なか 2013-01-11T20:54:00 　　よし不定期連載の（笑））のアリスにする予定だったんですけど・・・　余りに 2013-01-11T20:54:03 　　シューティング不向きだったし、曲がね～。ちょっと暗いからな～。３面はそん 2013-01-11T20:54:08 　　な感じで作ったんですが、エキストラは最近作ったばっかで、本を持たせていま 2013-01-11T20:54:10 　　す。実は最近ゲーセンでみたとある格闘ゲームのアリス（ネクロマンシー）をみ 2013-01-11T20:54:13 　　てちょっと付け加えてみました（笑）。格闘ゲームのアリスといっても、普段は 2013-01-11T20:54:16 　　看護婦姿でたまに巨大２本足立ちうさぎに獣化する人じゃないよ（笑）。 2013-01-11T20:54:30 He is saying in that paragraph that it is based off of both MegamiTensei and the "Necromancer from a fighting game" (no doubt, Asura Blade) 2013-01-11T20:55:45 K, I relayed that 2013-01-11T20:57:03 There was one more from that paragraph that I actually missed. 2013-01-11T20:57:13 ルププパウ（某なか 2013-01-11T20:57:14 　　よし不定期連載の（笑））のアリスにする予定だったんですけど 2013-01-11T20:58:05 That is one more Alice that I am not sure about, but he seems to be saying that "I actually planned on basing it off of of the Alice from ルププパウ and I don't know what that is at all. 2013-01-11T20:58:22 I mean, I don't know what ルププパウ is at all. 2013-01-11T20:58:57 I guess someone is cleaning up that article and they wanted to know where this came from 2013-01-11T20:58:58 In the same paragraph, he is saying that it is not based off of the Alice from ＥＳＰＲＡＤＥ (by Cave) 2013-01-11T20:59:17 The paragraph will probably get rewritten, and they wanted your source 2013-01-11T20:59:30 I suggest someone at least try translating that relevant paragraph so that the source is clearer. 2013-01-11T21:00:03 K, I relayed that too 2013-01-11T21:01:50 FYI I'm not directly involved, I just saw them pondering your source on #thw and since you were over here I figured I'd ask 2013-01-11T21:01:57 So if they cock it up don't blame me~ 2013-01-11T21:02:50 As far as I know you aren't banned so if you want to discuss it with them I don't see why you can't 2013-01-11T21:03:05 *** nortti is now known as moe 2013-01-11T21:03:20 *** moe is now known as nortti 2013-01-11T21:04:22 Well, don't exactly feel like joining in that, I guess. However, you could relay the suggestion to change the sentence "In addition, the Alice from ''Megami Tensei'' may be based off the main protagonist..." from using "may" to "is," since the Alice from Megami Tensei is surely based off of Lewis Caroll's Alice. 2013-01-11T21:10:12 K, I relayed that 2013-01-11T22:07:59 *** TonyUK has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T22:50:17 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2013-01-11T23:02:47 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T23:07:51 *** Suzuran has quit IRC 2013-01-11T23:12:02 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2013-01-11T23:29:18 *** TonyUK has quit IRC 2013-01-11T23:39:01 Nazeo: \o 2013-01-11T23:44:46 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2013-01-11T23:55:07 \o 2013-01-11T23:55:08 Sorry for the lateness 2013-01-11T23:55:08 ;-;