2012-12-18T00:01:04 *** Suzuran has quit IRC 2012-12-18T00:03:52 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2012-12-18T00:06:28 *** fsvgm777 has quit IRC 2012-12-18T00:12:36 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T00:35:38 Nmlgc: The Pc-98 fellow will be visiting us in the future~ 2012-12-18T01:57:03 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2012-12-18T02:02:11 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T02:05:45 *** DeltaSierra4 has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T02:22:50 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2012-12-18T03:00:47 *** Nazeo|Work has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T03:24:35 *** Momiji has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T03:43:41 *** Nazeo|Work has quit IRC 2012-12-18T03:44:58 *** Nazeo|Work has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T05:31:16 *** KyoriAsh has quit IRC 2012-12-18T05:33:55 *** KyoriAsh has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T05:46:15 *** Momiji has left #thcrap 2012-12-18T06:06:19 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T06:06:46 \o 2012-12-18T06:07:00 \o 2012-12-18T06:08:16 If you read logs, PC-98 guy will be coming 2012-12-18T06:08:21 Smiley face 2012-12-18T06:08:28 Hooray. 2012-12-18T06:09:42 I have thought a bit about how to approach this. Of course we can't do a nice automatic patch when running through an emulator, but we should be able to do something "semi-automatic". 2012-12-18T06:11:16 I still don't like repacking the .dat files, so I'll try to add an additional loader to the game's code that can read the data files directly from the game directory. 2012-12-18T06:11:54 With both the Borland C library and well-documented DOS system calls available to us, this should be not that big of a deal... 2012-12-18T06:13:34 Which means that somehow adding the data to the .hdi becomes the biggest problem. 2012-12-18T06:14:12 Apparently it's just some normal FAT file system, but file systems are yet another area I have zero experience with 2012-12-18T06:16:34 Also, no opinions from Twitter or Facebook yet 2012-12-18T06:17:53 ... well, at least they didn't lash out on us, telling us to leave that guy alone and just release that damn patch already 2012-12-18T06:18:00 Nice target audience. 2012-12-18T06:18:32 Alright, need to go now. \o 2012-12-18T06:18:38 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2012-12-18T06:25:02 Oops... 2012-12-18T06:25:12 * Nazeo|Work hates being with a client and missing Nmlgc... 2012-12-18T06:59:27 *** Nazeo|Work has quit IRC 2012-12-18T07:32:35 *** Momiji has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T07:38:03 *** Momiji has quit IRC 2012-12-18T07:50:39 *** DeltaSierra4 has quit IRC 2012-12-18T08:10:21 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2012-12-18T08:23:07 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T08:45:55 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2012-12-18T08:46:56 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T09:38:13 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2012-12-18T09:57:33 *** Sosso has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T09:58:13 Hello Sosso~ 2012-12-18T09:58:29 hello Nazeo ^^ 2012-12-18T09:59:33 How are you doing? 2012-12-18T10:03:31 I'm fine 2012-12-18T10:03:46 That's good~ 2012-12-18T10:03:52 and you ? 2012-12-18T10:04:09 Eh, sorta rocky 2012-12-18T10:05:21 ah ? :/ 2012-12-18T10:05:45 Don't worry about it I'll be fine 2012-12-18T10:05:48 ^_^ 2012-12-18T10:06:01 ok ^^ 2012-12-18T10:14:08 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T10:15:46 Wb Tos 2012-12-18T10:30:50 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2012-12-18T10:45:36 *** fsvgm777 has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T11:02:06 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2012-12-18T11:02:33 *** Sosso has quit IRC 2012-12-18T13:06:51 *** linkmauve1 has left #thcrap 2012-12-18T13:13:31 *** linkmauve1 has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T13:14:38 *** linkmauve1 has left #thcrap 2012-12-18T13:14:57 *** linkmauve1 has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T13:17:54 *** albel727 is now known as gasai_yuno 2012-12-18T13:38:35 *** gasai_yuno is now known as albel727 2012-12-18T14:42:52 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T14:47:29 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T14:48:08 \o 2012-12-18T14:48:11 \o 2012-12-18T14:50:05 So, any test results of the latest thcrap version from your side yet? 2012-12-18T14:50:15 No... 2012-12-18T14:50:22 I'll start on it right away! 2012-12-18T14:50:57 It's been running pretty well here. With the rewritten injector, it even works on my Linux laptop now. 2012-12-18T14:51:06 Ah sweet! 2012-12-18T14:54:45 ... might be better to start later, though. Want to fix some bugs first 2012-12-18T14:55:01 Oh, what did you notice? 2012-12-18T14:56:07 1. There is some problem with the th08 danmaku removal, hangs the game on the first message box. That sometimes happened to me here too, but it did so every time on a school PC 2012-12-18T14:56:20 2. th09 on-the-fly .msg patching is still broken 2012-12-18T14:56:41 3. Import table patching doesn't work under Linux yet (everything else does) 2012-12-18T14:56:56 4. The loader doesn't like relative path names. 2012-12-18T14:57:03 (to the configuration file) 2012-12-18T14:58:04 * Nazeo should just run the patch under every game 2012-12-18T14:58:13 Under every config too 2012-12-18T15:00:03 ... and obviously, it won't yet work for those games where I haven't created a support file, yet :-) 2012-12-18T15:00:26 Right right, like the fighting games, correct? 2012-12-18T15:01:03 Look in the Patch Central\Mock-up directory 2012-12-18T15:01:16 Will do 2012-12-18T15:01:33 th10, th11, th125 and th128 are still missing 2012-12-18T15:02:12 What about 10.5? 2012-12-18T15:02:16 Fighting game. 2012-12-18T15:02:24 Oh 2012-12-18T15:02:27 Silly me 2012-12-18T15:11:00 *** Sosso has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T15:11:27 Hello Sosso~ 2012-12-18T15:12:02 hello :) 2012-12-18T15:13:21 *** Suzuran has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T15:13:28 \o 2012-12-18T15:13:33 Hello Suzy~ 2012-12-18T15:13:36 Hi~ 2012-12-18T15:16:13 *** cxl has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T15:16:42 So Suzy, let me introduce the person who does all the IRC magic for me back on EoP~ 2012-12-18T15:16:48 That would be cxl 2012-12-18T15:16:49 :P 2012-12-18T15:16:53 Hello there. 2012-12-18T15:16:58 Hi~ 2012-12-18T15:17:28 Good to know that at least someone saw my Spruce Goose for what it is. 2012-12-18T15:17:43 It's early in the morning and I'm at work, so don't mind me if I'm slow to answer. 2012-12-18T15:17:50 * Nazeo nods 2012-12-18T15:17:55 That's fine. 2012-12-18T15:18:18 cxl: If you were the only person to make this kind of mistake the VPS industry would collapse. 2012-12-18T15:18:23 *** Makarov_Kageki has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T15:18:40 cxl: It's very common, and the way they push sales and play screwy capacity games doesn't help. 2012-12-18T15:18:50 Not really a mistake, but rather very carefully considered madness. 2012-12-18T15:19:35 Well, I don't know that I could call it "carefully considered" when I saw no evidence of planning at any point (other than bluesky, which doesn't count) but that's neither here nor there 2012-12-18T15:20:01 I suppose in a sense it could be considered a PR thing. 2012-12-18T15:21:10 I dunno if "Hey, we can't make projections, we can't make realistic plans, and we love making huge investments in resources we'll never use" is a good PR message either. 2012-12-18T15:21:56 If this were purely to serve my own community, I would have just taken ye olde server down to ye olde colo and called it a day. The point of this is to have resources in place for easy expansion down the line, as well as to serve as a sort of symbol of capability, I suppose. 2012-12-18T15:22:12 (Also, remember, most people won't have the IT background to see how crazy it really is.) 2012-12-18T15:22:34 Right, that's what I mean. They'll only see it break when you can't maintain it. 2012-12-18T15:22:41 If. 2012-12-18T15:23:29 My big problem at the moment is staff - and that's what I hope to sort out before this thing goes live. 2012-12-18T15:23:42 That's why I said "when" 2012-12-18T15:23:53 Getting people to staff this is going to kill it before it goes anywhere 2012-12-18T15:24:17 And if you do manage to staff it you'll have too many chiefs and not enough indians 2012-12-18T15:24:21 so you're screwed either way 2012-12-18T15:24:31 Mhm. It's all a very unlikely thing, but it's a long shot either way. 2012-12-18T15:24:58 I have no delusions as to this being anything other than nigh-impossible. 2012-12-18T15:25:05 I mean, I'm not trying to piss on your parade here, but you aren't being remotely realistic 2012-12-18T15:26:01 I'm fully aware of that. As I said - a long shot. I speak from experience, having run a moderately sized IRC network back in the '90s, and that went to hell after the community started to eat itself from the inside out. 2012-12-18T15:26:27 How big is "moderately sized"? 2012-12-18T15:26:42 8 servers, anywhere between 8000 and 12000 daily users. 2012-12-18T15:28:41 Well, first off, if what you guys are doing is just your stated goal, to run this coordination system, I don't see why it needs even one IRC server. It's just another net for people to have to connect to. Nobody will bother. 2012-12-18T15:29:00 It'll never have more than a couple hundred users, because of the pretty narrow user scope. 2012-12-18T15:29:17 Well, that becomes a PR thing yet again - convincing people to use us instead of... as an example, this very channel. 2012-12-18T15:29:40 For what gain, just so you can run an IRC net again on Nazeo's bill? 2012-12-18T15:29:55 I said that's fine :/ 2012-12-18T15:30:02 For what it's worth, he insisted on paying for it, despite my offering numerous times to pay for it in part or in full. 2012-12-18T15:30:10 Sides' I want to do this 2012-12-18T15:30:18 That's not the point. 2012-12-18T15:30:34 What's going on here is that Nazeo has one goal and you have another. 2012-12-18T15:31:05 How so? 2012-12-18T15:31:06 Nazeo wants to run this coordination system, and you want a busy IRC to be lord and master of, to reclaim the glory days from last time before your previous net ate its own legs off. 2012-12-18T15:31:17 Eh...? 2012-12-18T15:31:26 Erm, actually, you're quite mistaken. The last thing I want is to run another IRC network. 2012-12-18T15:31:35 I've tried to leave about... 3 times already. 2012-12-18T15:31:40 But you can't/ 2012-12-18T15:31:48 Friendships, y'know? 2012-12-18T15:31:53 Of course I know. 2012-12-18T15:31:59 I know better than you think I do~ 2012-12-18T15:32:13 You may not realize what you want, but I can tell it. 2012-12-18T15:32:19 You'll realize in time. 2012-12-18T15:32:23 Well, neither of us really knows the other that well, so I'm not really going to say anything. 2012-12-18T15:32:51 I don't have to know YOU specifically, it's common to sysadmin-types. 2012-12-18T15:32:56 And I know sysadmin-types. 2012-12-18T15:33:05 Mmmh, perhaps. 2012-12-18T15:33:22 As I said before though - if I wanted my own network, I'm more than rich enough to get one. 2012-12-18T15:34:05 Well, let's put that aside then. 2012-12-18T15:34:10 I get that you're being pragmatic about the whole thing - it is, in every sense, insane. 2012-12-18T15:34:33 Well, not so much insane as non-sequitur 2012-12-18T15:34:54 Perhaps. 2012-12-18T15:35:14 "We're building a rocket to the moon, so we need to buy a submarine." 2012-12-18T15:35:19 If we succeed, we succeed, great. If we fail, we haven't really hurt anyone. 2012-12-18T15:36:11 Well, no, that's not true. 2012-12-18T15:36:20 Hmm? 2012-12-18T15:36:53 If you guys are seriously trying to unify the various facets of fandom, and you fail at it, that's going to make it all the harder for someone else to try later. Everyone will point at the previous failure and say "Look, this doesn't work!" 2012-12-18T15:37:09 Is anyone else trying? 2012-12-18T15:37:28 I am, but not on the wide scope you are. 2012-12-18T15:37:31 That's why I came here 2012-12-18T15:37:39 (in the first place) 2012-12-18T15:38:07 Things are happening that are going to make it vital that the western fandom get their collective shit together 2012-12-18T15:38:12 Well, look, you know what you're talking about, which is a good thing. Why not join us? 2012-12-18T15:38:21 (and by "western" I mean "non-japanese") 2012-12-18T15:38:46 ( Isn't that typically what western means? ) 2012-12-18T15:39:03 ( More or Less ) 2012-12-18T15:39:13 Well, what do I stand to gain by joining an organization that I don't see going anywhere? 2012-12-18T15:39:26 Perhaps you could help it go somewhere? 2012-12-18T15:39:41 I already have enough problems, I don't need to tie a brick around my neck to go swimming. 2012-12-18T15:40:07 Well, you wouldn't have to do much, if anything, above what you're doing now. 2012-12-18T15:40:16 Let me explain. 2012-12-18T15:40:27 I do intend to help it go somewhere, that's why I'm talking to you now instead of just running the other direction 2012-12-18T15:40:59 I'm not mad enough to try and run a distributed IRC network with no staff and no users. To begin with, I'll only be bringing one server online. From there, it becomes a matter of convincing people to use it. 2012-12-18T15:41:40 Well, as I said, I'm not even sure why you're trying to build your own network. What do you stand to gain from it, when there's already several with extant user populations? 2012-12-18T15:42:09 Well, that generally comes down to the idea of unification. I hope to make this a network run by the Touhou fandom, for the Touhou fandom. 2012-12-18T15:42:12 It just adds another division that will have to be handled later 2012-12-18T15:42:30 But there's already two 2012-12-18T15:42:38 Which ones? 2012-12-18T15:42:45 ppirc and the russian one 2012-12-18T15:42:52 ppirc is yours, yes? 2012-12-18T15:42:53 That's just off the top of my head 2012-12-18T15:43:10 * Nazeo would like to mention the Poosh wars 2012-12-18T15:43:11 No, it's not mine. I just run the ircd for it. The network belongs to TSO of Shrinemaiden 2012-12-18T15:43:20 I see. 2012-12-18T15:43:41 Well, in any case, seeing as you also run Unreal, why not consider linking? 2012-12-18T15:44:11 Because I don't have the authority to make that decision and because there's nothing to gain from it. 2012-12-18T15:44:34 Well, we can always talk to the people with the authority, and is there really anything to lose? 2012-12-18T15:45:49 Yes. We'd have to op all your ops, and we don't know them and from what I've heard can't trust them. 2012-12-18T15:45:56 ... 2012-12-18T15:46:03 They can be trusted 2012-12-18T15:46:24 Erm - I think there's only... 3 or 4 that would need global ops, and they can be trusted. 2012-12-18T15:46:33 The rest can remain local to their own servers. 2012-12-18T15:46:40 Nazeo: Then why'd your guys come get in a public slap-fight in #touhouwiki a couple weeks ago? 2012-12-18T15:46:47 ... 2012-12-18T15:46:50 * Nazeo groans 2012-12-18T15:47:07 I like to think we run a reasonably tight ship 2012-12-18T15:47:14 That's a bit of an... issue. Several people got a hold of half a topic each and went and yelled at each other about it. 2012-12-18T15:47:19 I've put a stop to that, since. 2012-12-18T15:47:28 Outside of the whole dustyjo dramedy we've had very little admin misbehavior 2012-12-18T15:47:58 which is amazing because if there's anyone prone to admin misbehavior it's me 2012-12-18T15:48:01 but I digress 2012-12-18T15:48:08 I could say the same for us. We've only had one incident, and that's due to someone who got banned and refuses to just let go. 2012-12-18T15:48:56 Anyway, frankly, we're a bigger net than you and I really don't see the point to adding a bunch of unnecessary liability. 2012-12-18T15:49:17 I'd just as soon absorb your users and move on. 2012-12-18T15:49:26 We have more than enough extra capacity. 2012-12-18T15:49:29 Well, if that's your decision, then I respect that. 2012-12-18T15:51:36 That's what I meant when I said I didn't stand to gain anything. We had one big channel that was hosting GM interviews for a popular MMO, and they wanted a balloon of 4000 users or so 2012-12-18T15:52:50 So unless you have more than that, we'd be fine 2012-12-18T15:52:51 ...Didn't you mention you wanted to help it go somewhere Suzy? 2012-12-18T15:52:59 Oh. 2012-12-18T15:53:01 I see 2012-12-18T15:53:04 And Nazeo posted yesterday you had like 50 users 2012-12-18T15:53:07 Well, it's all pretty straight forward. I can't really force you into anything, and even if I could it's not really how I operate. I suppose, if nothing else, I can only wish you well. 2012-12-18T15:53:29 Sorry for the pause, my boss was asking something 2012-12-18T15:53:38 That's okay 2012-12-18T15:54:14 Anyway, I'm more than willing to help you set up a VPS to run whatever you want on it, and I want to help this coordination idea go somewhere 2012-12-18T15:54:53 I don't see how adding another IRC net to the mix is going to help, and I don't advise you do it, but if you want to do it anyway, that's your business. 2012-12-18T15:55:12 That's why I'm advising against it, because I don't see any benefit to doing it. 2012-12-18T15:55:37 I know more than enough about VPSs to set up one, if that's what I'd wanted to do. I suppose if nothing else, everyone has different ideas about how to go about doing things. I just hope that nobody needs to fight over this, because I don't see anyone winning in such a situation. 2012-12-18T15:55:40 You guys are probably going to be busy enough with the coordination forums and website 2012-12-18T15:56:07 Running your own IRC net would be a liability and a distraction 2012-12-18T15:56:17 Oh, it's not a fight 2012-12-18T15:56:18 Not at all 2012-12-18T15:56:56 I sure hope it's not a pissing match either... We all want to help the fandom yes? 2012-12-18T15:57:06 I would hope 2012-12-18T15:57:13 That's the idea, yes. 2012-12-18T15:57:16 Mhm. 2012-12-18T15:57:44 * Makarov_Kageki has just been standing in the corner, arms crossed as he observes 2012-12-18T15:58:35 All I'm interested in is seeing that everyone doing something visible to the public doesn't suck at it. 2012-12-18T15:59:20 Again, as I said, we're not planning to roll out a complete network from day one - it'd be complete overkill (not that isn't already). We're just going to start a general purpose server in addition to the one we currently run for the RP, because that one needs to be locked down and controlled in too many different ways to also serve for general use. 2012-12-18T15:59:25 For example, this crap with this french guy telling everyone they're his "competition" and they need to kiss his ass, that attitude is unnecessary and counterproductive. His site should die. 2012-12-18T15:59:44 ... 2012-12-18T16:00:01 Agreed on the first point, but if he wants to run a site, and if people are willing to go to it, then I say more power to him. 2012-12-18T16:00:12 The key thing is, I'm not trying to take away anyone's freedom here. 2012-12-18T16:00:13 That's the thing. Doing it as an Elitist faction can't possibly hope to accommodate the fandom 2012-12-18T16:00:32 It's not elitism, it's survival. 2012-12-18T16:00:45 If he's become a liability to the wider fandom, then the wider fandom needs to unite against him. 2012-12-18T16:01:16 Why? They are trying to accomplish their dream of the fandom in their own way? 2012-12-18T16:01:23 No, he's not. 2012-12-18T16:01:31 The fandom just needs to unite. They don't need to be against anyone. If the movement gains enough momentum, then people will join of their own free will. 2012-12-18T16:01:42 He's trying to become Touhou Jesus, that none might achieve salvation except by his glory and majesty. 2012-12-18T16:01:51 He's feeding his ego. 2012-12-18T16:01:56 Nothing more and nothing less. 2012-12-18T16:02:02 Then just simply pay him no heed. Continue on as you would if he simply wasn't there. 2012-12-18T16:02:04 That attitude is abhorrent. 2012-12-18T16:02:35 cxl: That works up until he does something that causes you problems. 2012-12-18T16:02:50 For example, we did a good job ignoring dustyjo until he became a major incident 2012-12-18T16:02:57 We should have nipped that in the bud. 2012-12-18T16:03:05 I agree with that. 2012-12-18T16:03:13 That sounds familair... 2012-12-18T16:03:16 But I remain adamant that anger and agression aren't the way to go. 2012-12-18T16:03:47 It's not anger or aggression at all. 2012-12-18T16:04:03 It's a sacrifice for the benefit of the wider community. 2012-12-18T16:04:24 Then tell me, how do you "sacrifice" an entire site and community that you have no control over, short of ignoring them and moving on? 2012-12-18T16:04:31 To make an omelette, one must break a few eggs. 2012-12-18T16:04:51 :s 2012-12-18T16:05:22 You can't kill them directly, but you can advise people not go there. You can refuse to link to them. You can arrange a widespread shun. 2012-12-18T16:05:44 You'll be in position to do that once you have more than a few sites in your group. 2012-12-18T16:06:04 I suppose you could, but really, I don't see victory in such means. 2012-12-18T16:06:07 It's not a NICE option, but it's an option that you will be asked to consider when the time comes around. 2012-12-18T16:06:27 Well, no, it's not about a victory 2012-12-18T16:06:53 The best case outcome of this would be the admin becomes scared that he's going to lose his fiefdom and ceases doing whatever objectionable thing he's doing 2012-12-18T16:07:00 Like in this case, he stops trolling other fansites 2012-12-18T16:07:27 Really, the best thing to do with a troll is to just ignore them. If people associate with them, that's their problem. 2012-12-18T16:07:55 That worked up until the trolls got botnets. 2012-12-18T16:08:02 Oh... Those 2012-12-18T16:08:14 Mmmh, annoying, yes, but not too difficult to counter. 2012-12-18T16:08:19 That's not always an option anymore. 2012-12-18T16:09:22 Cloudflare isn't a magic bullet either. It won't save you from a shitpost botnet 2012-12-18T16:09:28 Example, Pooshlmer. 2012-12-18T16:09:29 But I suppose the proliferation of variou skiddie tools are becoming more of an issue... yes. 2012-12-18T16:09:50 Thing is that Poosh isn't around anymore Suzy 2012-12-18T16:09:55 No one can run the place 2012-12-18T16:10:07 Nazeo: ? 2012-12-18T16:10:09 Yes it is 2012-12-18T16:10:23 I meant the person 2012-12-18T16:10:23 Pooshlmer is up right now 2012-12-18T16:10:24 :v 2012-12-18T16:10:30 There never was a person. 2012-12-18T16:10:33 named pooshlmer 2012-12-18T16:10:38 :/ 2012-12-18T16:10:50 If you mean the admin of pooshlmer, yes, I know who he is 2012-12-18T16:10:55 We're getting off topic somewhat, I feel. 2012-12-18T16:10:56 The one who started up the Wikia for Touhou wiki? 2012-12-18T16:10:59 And yeah... 2012-12-18T16:11:38 I suppose I'll ask one final question: At what point would you consider joining with us? How big do we need to be, or how long do we need to be around, for you to trust us enough? 2012-12-18T16:11:40 Pooshlmer is just about the perfect fansite. It has no active admin, so everyone is equal 2012-12-18T16:12:04 There is no high cabal to force their viewpoint on others 2012-12-18T16:12:14 There is no admin for people to suck up to 2012-12-18T16:12:27 Except for the occasional crapflood it works very well 2012-12-18T16:12:40 The only people who are annoyed by it are the ones who want to be in charge of it 2012-12-18T16:14:31 It sort of makes me sad they you view us as an obstacle to overcome. 2012-12-18T16:14:32 cxl: It's not so much about size as results. I'll help you guys start up and I'll give you whatever advise you ask for. If you take said advise that's your own business. I don't know that I'll call myself part of your group because it's easier to be impartial if you aren't. 2012-12-18T16:14:37 *that 2012-12-18T16:14:44 Nazeo: When did I say that? 2012-12-18T16:15:01 Just feels like it a tad 2012-12-18T16:15:13 That's not my intention at all. 2012-12-18T16:15:35 Okay, I'll just say this, and I apologise in advance if I'm taking this the wrong way, but it does come across a little as if you're lecturing. 2012-12-18T16:15:36 To have that attitude would put me in the same category as the french jerk I was talking about earlier 2012-12-18T16:16:05 cxl: I'm not surprised. IRC does not carry tone well. 2012-12-18T16:16:15 No pure text media does. 2012-12-18T16:16:18 That's always been the problem, I suppose. 2012-12-18T16:16:51 Also replace "impartial" with "objective" in that last line 2012-12-18T16:17:04 I'll just say that, despite the way it looks, I do have some idea of what I'm getting myself into. I have been in the IT industry for 25 years now, and I have dealt with many of its problems. (And ugh, I hate having to bring up credentials) 2012-12-18T16:17:35 Why do you hate bringing up credentials? That's how you demonstrate knowledge. 2012-12-18T16:17:49 Credentials and results. 2012-12-18T16:18:08 Do you think you don't have enough? 25 years is not a bad run. 2012-12-18T16:18:14 Mmmh, I guess I just always try to treat everyone equally, and be equal to everyone else, until they demonstrate otherwise. 2012-12-18T16:18:46 I started on the big iron (and still run a few examples), and downgraded to small computers when they got fashionable :) 2012-12-18T16:19:02 Ah. Likewise. 2012-12-18T16:19:16 Oh? Which vendor? 2012-12-18T16:19:43 I mostly dealt with various VAXen in the early days, then a variety of IBM systems. 2012-12-18T16:20:22 Nowadays, I just marvel at the kludge-tastic methods of third world IT. 2012-12-18T16:20:30 $ show sys 2012-12-18T16:20:31 OpenVMS V7.3 on node MOMIJI 18-DEC-2012 10:21:22.98 Uptime 41 17:01:57 2012-12-18T16:20:44 That's real hardware too, not emulated. 2012-12-18T16:21:10 aha~ 2012-12-18T16:21:25 My real love and joy was the PDP-10 though. 2012-12-18T16:21:42 I wish I'd had more time on it 2012-12-18T16:21:45 Ah, yes. That was quite a nice machine, back in the day. 2012-12-18T16:22:06 I have a physical PDP-10 as well, but no disks for it. 2012-12-18T16:22:34 There's a project to replace the old massbus disks with modern disks, but it doesn't work yet 2012-12-18T16:22:56 You lucky first-worlders. 2012-12-18T16:23:45 All I have at the moment are Opterons. So, so many Opterons. 2012-12-18T16:25:00 One day, when electromigration kills them all, I'll sew them into a coat or something and pretend I'm IT Jesus. 2012-12-18T16:26:12 (Which probably just means stalking around the office and beating lusers with a IBM model M.) 2012-12-18T16:27:41 Well, as much as I'd love to stick around and talk tech, I probably do need to be going. I guess I'll say goodbye for now, and best of luck. 2012-12-18T16:28:00 *** cxl has quit IRC 2012-12-18T16:30:29 Meh, I missed him 2012-12-18T16:30:36 I'm on the phone with a customer 2012-12-18T16:30:48 That's okay~ 2012-12-18T16:31:01 So I guess it becomes a matter of results eh? 2012-12-18T16:32:48 Hang on 2012-12-18T16:32:56 * Nazeo hangs on 2012-12-18T16:47:30 Hmph... 2012-12-18T16:47:41 ? 2012-12-18T16:47:44 Before I leave, anything needed of me? 2012-12-18T16:47:58 Not really 2012-12-18T16:48:14 * Nazeo wonders if Maky should take Kyo with him 2012-12-18T16:48:16 :P 2012-12-18T16:48:26 ... Why? 2012-12-18T16:48:39 He needs something to do~ 2012-12-18T16:48:56 ( If you knew what he does, you'd be laughing ) 2012-12-18T16:49:12 Okay, I'll bite, what does he do? 2012-12-18T16:49:37 Works all Night at his job and works all day on the wiki 2012-12-18T16:49:40 :D 2012-12-18T16:49:43 * Nazeo looks at Nmlgc 2012-12-18T16:49:48 Hilarious. 2012-12-18T16:49:50 He does this too, but in reverse 2012-12-18T16:50:06 Kyori? 2012-12-18T16:50:18 Nazeo: Sorry, something came up at work. I'll be a few minutes. 2012-12-18T16:50:32 That's okay Suzy, do what you gotta do 2012-12-18T16:50:36 Now, I'm going back where I belong, my reason for being here having run out. 2012-12-18T16:50:45 And yes Nmlgc~ 2012-12-18T16:50:56 Farewell and good luck in all that you do, etc etc. 2012-12-18T16:51:01 \o 2012-12-18T16:51:20 * Makarov_Kageki walks away, tossing his hand back lazily in a form of wave 2012-12-18T16:51:37 *** Makarov_Kageki has left #thcrap 2012-12-18T16:51:43 I thought he spends all his time playing H-games and watching Madoka. 2012-12-18T16:51:59 Ouch~ 2012-12-18T17:09:58 OK, I'm back 2012-12-18T17:10:01 Sorry about that 2012-12-18T17:10:16 A customer called with an issue so I have to pay the bills first. I'm sure you understand. 2012-12-18T17:10:17 No problem, you have your own stuff to take of 2012-12-18T17:10:20 I do 2012-12-18T17:11:14 Anyway, when you guys figure out what you want to do, let me know what you need and I'll help you do it. If nothing else, run it by me and I'll give you whatever advise or analysis I can. 2012-12-18T17:11:27 Thanks, I sure do appreciate it 2012-12-18T17:11:49 If you want to run a general purpose touhou IRC that's fine too, but know that you'll be running in competition with me, so you'll have to bring your A game if you want to take me out. 2012-12-18T17:12:04 Thanks for the heads up~ 2012-12-18T17:12:22 That doesn't mean that I'm going to be an asshole about it or sabotage you or anything. 2012-12-18T17:12:32 It's in everyone's best interest that whatever runs works. 2012-12-18T17:12:33 Well, I wouldn't do that either 2012-12-18T17:12:37 * Nazeo nods 2012-12-18T17:12:48 There is such a thing as friendly competition 2012-12-18T17:12:55 Mhmm~ 2012-12-18T17:13:02 That's why that french guy has such a lousy attitude 2012-12-18T17:13:08 He doesn't understand it 2012-12-18T17:13:15 Probably doesn't want to 2012-12-18T17:13:23 Speaking of which, MUCK needs to step it up~ 2012-12-18T17:13:32 What is that anyway? 2012-12-18T17:13:33 We are leading in page views 2012-12-18T17:13:34 ... 2012-12-18T17:13:41 It's on your server... 2012-12-18T17:13:53 The muck touhouwiki thing? 2012-12-18T17:13:56 Yupz 2012-12-18T17:13:57 But it's not a muck! 2012-12-18T17:14:02 It's not?!? 2012-12-18T17:14:21 Isn't it just on IRC? 2012-12-18T17:14:30 It uses a client 2012-12-18T17:14:31 Oh, wait, nevermind, i guess they do have a server 2012-12-18T17:14:38 I never bothered to read it because I wasn't interested 2012-12-18T17:14:49 I got kicked out of it :v 2012-12-18T17:14:50 Wow, a live muck in this day and age. Who would have thought it. 2012-12-18T17:14:56 They wanted to ban me too 2012-12-18T17:15:01 Does it actually have users? 2012-12-18T17:15:01 Back in the day 2012-12-18T17:15:06 That's the thing 2012-12-18T17:15:15 They really need to get going on that 2012-12-18T17:15:34 Well, text games are a dying art. 2012-12-18T17:15:43 Yes yes, I suppose they are 2012-12-18T17:16:06 I ran a MUD way back in the day. I still do, sort of. I still run the daemon as a memorial to my ex-co-implementor. 2012-12-18T17:16:25 That was how I learned how not to run a community. I did just about everything wrong. 2012-12-18T17:16:26 Ah... that's nice of you 2012-12-18T17:16:30 I see. 2012-12-18T17:16:34 I'm still learning 2012-12-18T17:16:51 Eh, wait. 2012-12-18T17:16:58 ? 2012-12-18T17:17:07 It was a shitty MUD with an awful theme and terrible players, but it was mine~ 2012-12-18T17:17:25 Even if I totally screwed everything up, I'd not trade a moment of it for anything. 2012-12-18T17:17:36 I didn't read the full log of that drama, but I remember that they rather want to stay where they are currently and not expand. 2012-12-18T17:17:49 Nmlgc: Wait, what drama? 2012-12-18T17:17:55 ? 2012-12-18T17:18:07 When Nazeo was kicked out of that MUCK. 2012-12-18T17:18:10 Oh 2012-12-18T17:18:20 Oh 2012-12-18T17:18:24 Well, I assume he did something stupid or ignorant and annoyed everyone 2012-12-18T17:18:30 That seems to be Nazeo's SOP 2012-12-18T17:18:44 That's the assumption with everyone nowadays -.- 2012-12-18T17:18:58 Well, you give people more than enough examples to support it 2012-12-18T17:19:31 You've just got to learn to think before you speak/act 2012-12-18T17:19:37 I was bad at it too 2012-12-18T17:19:38 I still am 2012-12-18T17:19:44 I suppose so. 17 is a tumblous age 2012-12-18T17:20:23 The important thing is that I don't think you're beyond hope. If that were the case I wouldn't bother talking to you. 2012-12-18T17:20:57 Well, I do enjoy your company. 2012-12-18T17:21:28 Also lean to lie better. There has to be at least some basis in fact for people to believe it. 2012-12-18T17:21:44 ... 2012-12-18T17:21:45 *learn 2012-12-18T17:21:51 But I do enjoy your company... 2012-12-18T17:22:03 I'm just teasing~ 2012-12-18T17:22:06 And I- 2012-12-18T17:22:07 Oh 2012-12-18T17:22:14 I don't do the lying thing 2012-12-18T17:22:21 That's the biggest lie ever 2012-12-18T17:22:26 :( 2012-12-18T17:22:44 I never said never... 2012-12-18T17:24:32 (There used to be an information organization called The Liar's Club back in the 80s. Someone got offended by this and sent them a note saying "I find your organization reprehensible and your condonation of lying immoral. I never lie to anyone for any purpose." They were immediately given a lifetime membership.) 2012-12-18T17:24:45 ... 2012-12-18T17:24:50 Ahahahaha! 2012-12-18T17:24:56 That's awesome 2012-12-18T17:26:20 Anyway, as for the muck 2012-12-18T17:26:42 I don't hold anything against them 2012-12-18T17:26:51 Those kind of games are primarily closed to a social group. Growing the game would kill the social group, which would defeat the purpose of the game's existence. 2012-12-18T17:27:02 User count is not necessarily indicative of game quality. 2012-12-18T17:27:10 This is true 2012-12-18T17:27:21 Yes, that's what they wanted to say. 2012-12-18T17:27:32 ! 2012-12-18T17:27:35 Oh yes! 2012-12-18T17:27:36 That! 2012-12-18T17:27:43 * Nazeo is forever laughing 2012-12-18T17:27:54 Nmlgc, you totally should say something about that 2012-12-18T17:28:18 Back when we ran the MUD we were always dead-set on growing the MUD, to the point that we brought in a bunch of randoms with no interest in the MUD or its theme. They caused us endless drama and eventually the death of the game. 2012-12-18T17:28:29 ^ 2012-12-18T17:28:35 That was our mistake too 2012-12-18T17:28:52 A good community will grow at its own pace. You don't need to rush it. 2012-12-18T17:29:16 Makes sense 2012-12-18T18:26:55 Alright, fixed the 4th bug, but still can't reproduce the th08 issue 2012-12-18T18:27:06 Might have been a fluke 2012-12-18T18:27:27 Hmm, could you try it? I'll fix the Linux issue in the meantime. 2012-12-18T18:28:11 *** Sosso has quit IRC 2012-12-18T18:28:12 Sure! 2012-12-18T18:43:22 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T18:57:54 *** Nazeo_Aelko_Neze has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T19:00:57 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2012-12-18T19:09:59 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T19:10:12 Hello Tos 2012-12-18T19:10:33 Hello 2012-12-18T19:13:58 Nmlgc: Seems fine to me~ 2012-12-18T19:14:31 Woo, you managed the configuration? 2012-12-18T19:14:36 Pics or it didn't happen :-P 2012-12-18T19:14:41 Sure~ 2012-12-18T19:14:54 It took me awhile... 2012-12-18T20:21:14 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2012-12-18T20:24:18 *** KyoriAsh has quit IRC 2012-12-18T20:27:12 *** KyoriAsh has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T20:34:16 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T20:37:19 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2012-12-18T21:05:33 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T21:23:27 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T21:24:47 *** Nazeo_Aelko_Neze has quit IRC 2012-12-18T22:32:04 At least I tracked down the th08 bug down now. 2012-12-18T22:32:11 Something went horribly wrong with the danmaku removal. 2012-12-18T22:32:12 Yay... 2012-12-18T22:47:27 I messed up the first 4 stages, the last 4 should work perfectly 2012-12-18T22:48:07 Ah Ok 2012-12-18T22:49:56 *** tosiaki has quit IRC 2012-12-18T22:50:33 By now, we've probably lost any hope of releasing this within December 2012-12-18T22:50:56 Because of that detail? 2012-12-18T22:51:23 And the other bugs. And the stuff that's still missing. 2012-12-18T22:52:01 Ah... 2012-12-18T22:52:22 could someone translate a few short sentences in japanese for me? 2012-12-18T22:52:33 I am not a translator 2012-12-18T22:54:10 Nazeo: that was obvious :) 2012-12-18T22:54:21 Ouch, a swing 2012-12-18T22:54:22 :P 2012-12-18T22:56:41 That Linux thingy takes a bit longer to fix, too. 2012-12-18T22:57:06 Well 2012-12-18T22:57:11 At least you are doing this right 2012-12-18T22:57:25 And not giving a shoddy impression 2012-12-18T22:59:00 oh, http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/ does a way better job than this silly google translator 2012-12-18T22:59:02 <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: エキサイト 翻訳 (at www.excite.co.jp) 2012-12-18T22:59:08 ... 2012-12-18T22:59:10 Damn 2012-12-18T22:59:17 I wish Tos did not leave 2012-12-18T22:59:20 i mean, i don't need any help now) 2012-12-18T22:59:21 He could have helped you 2012-12-18T22:59:24 Ah. 2012-12-18T22:59:39 at least i think it translated it right :D 2012-12-18T23:00:10 Hmm, I see 2012-12-18T23:01:09 *** tosiaki has joined #thcrap 2012-12-18T23:01:24 :D 2012-12-18T23:01:27 Tos! 2012-12-18T23:01:33 Was just looking for you 2012-12-18T23:01:41 * Nazeo pushes Tos over to nurupo 2012-12-18T23:01:44 Here ya go 2012-12-18T23:01:50 Hello 2012-12-18T23:02:01 Alright, time to leave now \o 2012-12-18T23:02:06 \o 2012-12-18T23:02:11 Eventful day eh? 2012-12-18T23:02:18 Not really. 2012-12-18T23:02:21 :P 2012-12-18T23:02:38 Nazeo: it's fine 2012-12-18T23:02:41 I slept until 1:09 today, and also rested from 3:03 to 4:44, so not much today 2012-12-18T23:02:46 You sure? 2012-12-18T23:02:50 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2012-12-18T23:02:57 He can help ya. He loves that sort of thing 2012-12-18T23:09:57 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2012-12-18T23:12:02 heh 2012-12-18T23:20:58 Translate from Japanese or to Japanese? 2012-12-18T23:22:56 no, i needed to translate something from japanese to english, but i already did that :) 2012-12-18T23:29:48 *** fsvgm777 has quit IRC 2012-12-18T23:35:08 So, I didn't notice the other tabs until now 2012-12-18T23:44:40 btw, there is also a log in the topic in case you ever want to find out what happened while you was out 2012-12-18T23:45:21 not sure if you knew about the log when you was talking about yourself recently... 2012-12-18T23:46:05 Found it through Google 2012-12-18T23:46:18 -_- 2012-12-18T23:57:58 *** Suzuran has quit IRC 2012-12-18T23:59:14 *** toshiaki has joined #thcrap