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2012-11-20T01:45:50  <Nazeo> \o
2012-11-20T01:45:54  <Nmlgc> \o
2012-11-20T01:46:05  * Nazeo leaves for work in 35 mins
2012-11-20T01:50:57  <Nmlgc> Ah, OK.
2012-11-20T01:51:10  <Nmlgc> That Hopeless Masquerade trailer is old news, by the way.
2012-11-20T01:51:16  * Nazeo smiles
2012-11-20T01:51:21  <Nazeo> Based on it's view count
2012-11-20T01:51:23  <Nazeo> Eh.
2012-11-20T01:51:58  <Nmlgc> www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbFyYb6y9PU << Because that's the original upload
2012-11-20T01:52:11  <Nazeo> Oops
2012-11-20T01:52:55  <Nazeo> Hooray for redundancy!
2012-11-20T02:00:02  <Nmlgc> Hah! Quite funny to see Edge of Perspective's community being confirmed as terrible from a different point of view, too.
2012-11-20T02:00:19  <Nazeo> Right
2012-11-20T02:00:35  <Nazeo> That same person said I should be tossed down a flight of stairs because I am "too nice"
2012-11-20T02:02:03  * Nmlgc thinks about that
2012-11-20T02:02:40  <Nmlgc> Well, this feels like the role-player's version of the rants I used to write about the fandom.
2012-11-20T02:02:55  <Nazeo> Right.
2012-11-20T02:03:54  <Nmlgc> ... and what this all comes down to is the old distinction of "primary" and "secondary" fans.
2012-11-20T02:04:10  <Nazeo> You know Nmlgc, that channel you were in was the OOC channel
2012-11-20T02:04:17  <Nazeo> OOC = Out of Character
2012-11-20T02:04:19  <Nmlgc> Yep.
2012-11-20T02:04:30  <Nazeo> But yes
2012-11-20T02:04:31  <Nazeo> I agree
2012-11-20T02:07:09  <Nazeo> I may be a secondary fan, but I try my hardest to do something in this fandom
2012-11-20T02:08:04  <Nmlgc> Touhou requires a great deal of knowledge in a lot of areas from its fans, and those who know more often can't accept that those who know less just want to have fun because they're "doing everything wrong"
2012-11-20T02:08:31  <Nazeo> That I agree with too
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2012-11-20T02:12:12  <Nmlgc> ... and in the end, Touhou should have never had a Western fandom to begin with.
2012-11-20T02:13:27  <Nazeo> Probably not
2012-11-20T02:13:35  <Nazeo> It's hard to be a Western fan
2012-11-20T02:13:45  <Nazeo> You have to rely on second hand information
2012-11-20T02:13:49  <Nazeo> But...
2012-11-20T02:14:42  <Nazeo> Stuff for example like Remilia being weak to beans because the characters for her also reading as "blood-sucking oni" could only be understood by people who know the langauge
2012-11-20T02:16:14  <Nmlgc> Yes, and that's exactly why... !
2012-11-20T02:17:07  * Nazeo nods
2012-11-20T02:17:57  <Nazeo> However, I am very very glad I know about it. No matter how much the fandom frustrates or disappoints me.
2012-11-20T02:18:08  <Nazeo> That is more of a me thing though :V
2012-11-20T02:18:11  <Nmlgc> And you can't force everyone to become a "primary", because for most people, this means that Touhou stops being fun and starts being work
2012-11-20T02:18:17  <Nmlgc> If not, they'd already be one.
2012-11-20T02:19:39  <Nmlgc> That's the same reason I'm no longer a brony
2012-11-20T02:19:51  <Nmlgc> Because I couldn't cope with the amount of information that fandom expects you to absorb
2012-11-20T02:20:06  <Nazeo> Oh...
2012-11-20T02:20:27  <Nazeo> I see.
2012-11-20T02:20:42  <Nazeo> That's very sad Nmlgc...
2012-11-20T02:20:53  <Nmlgc> Because there, you can't just choose to ignore the stories or characters because well... that's the very essence.
2012-11-20T02:21:06  * Nazeo nods
2012-11-20T02:21:12  <Nmlgc> There's no game hacking or music CDs you could turn to.
2012-11-20T02:21:42  <Nazeo> Oh I see.
2012-11-20T02:21:43  <Nmlgc> Anyway, you have to leave for work now. :-)
2012-11-20T02:21:51  <Nazeo> Heh. So you noticed
2012-11-20T02:22:40  <Nazeo> I'll see you later.
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2012-11-20T02:31:08  <Ibaraki_Ibuki> what a thought provoking discussion we have here
2012-11-20T02:33:17  <Nmlgc> http://edgeofperspective.net/wiki/An_Open_Letter_to_Edge_of_Perspective << That's the rant we were talking about
2012-11-20T02:33:18  <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: An Open Letter to Edge of Perspective - Touhou Edge of Perspective - A Touhou Roleplay (at edgeofperspective.net)
2012-11-20T02:33:37  <Ibaraki_Ibuki> yes, I saw that
2012-11-20T02:37:43  <Ibaraki_Ibuki> though I'd comment that even Gensokyo goes through the occasional period of idle chit-chat and down time
2012-11-20T02:39:27  <Ibaraki_Ibuki> for instance, the manga tend to portray Gensokyo as a whimsical rather than action-filled place
2012-11-20T02:40:05  <Ibaraki_Ibuki> but despite never setting foot in that community, I'd agree with what he's saying there
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2012-11-20T03:12:17  <Nazeo|Work> Welcome back
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2012-11-20T03:55:07  <Nazeo|Work> \o
2012-11-20T03:55:15  <Nazeo|Work> Hello!
2012-11-20T03:55:23  <Myrtle> hi.
2012-11-20T03:55:56  <Nazeo|Work> How
2012-11-20T03:56:01  <Nazeo|Work> *How's it going?
2012-11-20T03:56:13  <Myrtle> really shitty!
2012-11-20T03:56:34  <Myrtle> that means mostly ok in my everyday language
2012-11-20T04:24:03  <Nazeo|Work> Ah...
2012-11-20T04:24:09  * Nazeo|Work is busy at work
2012-11-20T04:24:13  <Nazeo|Work> :V
2012-11-20T05:47:59  <Nmlgc1> *sigh*
2012-11-20T05:48:21  <Nazeo|Work> ?
2012-11-20T05:48:24  <Nazeo|Work> What's up?
2012-11-20T05:49:15  <Nmlgc1> If we weren't based in this Touhou Wiki tradition, I probably would have never chosen MediaWiki as our page engine. Because it does a damn terrible job at it.
2012-11-20T05:49:26  <Nazeo|Work> What's it doing?
2012-11-20T05:49:40  <Nazeo|Work> You would use something like Joomla or something?
2012-11-20T05:50:24  <Nmlgc1> I wouldn't know what to use instead. Especially now that we have this fairly convenient translation interface.
2012-11-20T05:51:04  <Nmlgc1> But it's all so bloated and unperformant that it leaves a bad and shoddy taste.
2012-11-20T05:53:04  <Nmlgc1> I just tested to remove the optional template translation feature. This should just not give a 30% performance gain.
2012-11-20T05:54:37  <Nazeo|Work> What else should it do?
2012-11-20T05:55:00  <Nmlgc1> Umm... have less of an impact on performance?
2012-11-20T05:56:18  <Nazeo|Work> This should just not give a 30% performance gain. -> Isn't that a good thing?
2012-11-20T05:56:20  <Nazeo|Work> Oooooh
2012-11-20T05:56:31  <Nazeo|Work> It's using too much resources
2012-11-20T05:56:55  <Nmlgc1> Yes, it does.
2012-11-20T05:59:44  <Nazeo|Work> This is your own personal server?
2012-11-20T06:01:03  <Nmlgc1> Yes. And I host a MoinWiki for a different site and it's running like a breeze.
2012-11-20T06:01:10  <Nmlgc1> (on the same server)
2012-11-20T06:01:15  <Nazeo|Work> Oh dear...
2012-11-20T06:03:29  * Nazeo|Work isn't sure what to suggest
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2012-11-20T06:17:29  <Nmlgc1> I can already see it coming. This site is going to get overloaded so hard on the Hopeless Masquerade release day... that we'll have to offload the translation pages to touhouwiki.net and merge the progress of both every hour or so.
2012-11-20T06:20:43  * Nazeo|Work points at his site
2012-11-20T06:23:25  <Nmlgc1> Eh. Of course I'm going to mirror the patch data, but it's the wiki itself that's the problem here.
2012-11-20T06:24:29  <Nmlgc1> And I'm kinda unwilling to upgrade my server for a site that runs terrible with no load at all already.
2012-11-20T06:25:04  <Nazeo|Work> How much would the upgrade be?
2012-11-20T06:29:46  <Nmlgc1> http://www.hetzner.de/en/ << Pick one.
2012-11-20T06:29:47  <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: Hetzner Online AG (at www.hetzner.de)
2012-11-20T06:30:42  <Nazeo|Work> Hmm
2012-11-20T06:30:51  <Nazeo|Work> We could split it half and half
2012-11-20T06:31:00  <Nazeo|Work> What are you feeling?
2012-11-20T06:31:36  <Nmlgc1> Well, let's first see how all of this will turn out.
2012-11-20T06:31:43  <Nazeo|Work> Fair enough
2012-11-20T06:33:22  <Nmlgc1> Have to leave now. \o
2012-11-20T06:34:50  <Nazeo|Work> \o
2012-11-20T06:34:53  <Nazeo|Work> Bye Nmlgc
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2012-11-20T17:18:00  <Ruusento> Nmlgc: I saw your review about HoaH 101% Run :P
2012-11-20T17:18:28  <Nmlgc> Ah, that. Except that it is not very much of a review at this point...
2012-11-20T17:19:06  <Ruusento> you see, I keep one of the two mirrors alive
2012-11-20T17:19:42  <Ruusento> and my server is seeding+tracking the torrent for that album
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