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2012-11-19T01:22:14  <Nmlgc> http://thpatch.net/wiki/Touhou_Patch_Central:List_of_music_themes
2012-11-19T01:22:20  <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: Touhou Patch Central:List of music themes - Touhou Patch Central (at thpatch.net)
2012-11-19T01:22:37  <Nmlgc> After 1 1/2 hours of PHP bug hunting, this is finally translatable, as well.
2012-11-19T01:35:26  <Nazeo|Work> What was the issue?
2012-11-19T01:36:58  <Nmlgc> Apparently you rather shouldn't compare certain kinds of classes with each other, because that crashes the PHP server process. This way, you don't have any debugging logs and need to guess where the problem is...
2012-11-19T01:37:37  <Nazeo|Work> ... don't you need debugging logs?
2012-11-19T01:38:17  <Nmlgc> Yes, but this bug crashes PHP _so hard_ that it doesn't leave anything in the logs at all
2012-11-19T01:38:46  <Nmlgc> ... yeah, that's the kind of programming language we work with
2012-11-19T01:43:44  <Nmlgc> Anyway, that's it for today. There'll be two more days of wiki busywork, and then we'll move on to the next phase
2012-11-19T01:44:11  <Nmlgc> "Setting up the patch central itself and linking everything together"
2012-11-19T01:45:05  <Nazeo|Work> Ah...
2012-11-19T01:45:35  <Nazeo|Work> You won't be leaving will you?
2012-11-19T01:46:09  <Nmlgc> Now? Yeah, I will.
2012-11-19T01:50:57  <Nmlgc> \o
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2012-11-19T02:11:23  <Nazeo|Work> :<
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2012-11-19T16:15:12  <Suzuran> Since I haven't bothered you guys in awhile, see http://desertbus.org
2012-11-19T16:15:14  <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: Desert Bus for Hope :: Welcome to Desert Bus for Hope (at desertbus.org)
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2012-11-19T18:04:06  <Nazeo> Hello peeps~
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2012-11-19T18:29:17  <nortti> yay. reached 70 windows on irssi
2012-11-19T18:31:22  <Nazeo> Oh!
2012-11-19T18:31:25  <Nazeo> You use that huh
2012-11-19T18:31:33  <Nazeo> I heard it is a must have for UNIX
2012-11-19T18:32:10  <nortti> not really
2012-11-19T18:32:27  <nortti> ircII is also usable but irssi is the best in my opinion
2012-11-19T18:32:55  <nortti> well irc7 for plan9 is but lack of software forces me to not use plan9
2012-11-19T18:33:10  <chkktri> oh, plan9
2012-11-19T18:33:16  <chkktri> never checked it
2012-11-19T18:33:44  <nortti> this is old version but it is very small: http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/1995/p95.flp
2012-11-19T18:33:53  <nortti> it is floppy image, by the way
2012-11-19T18:34:05  <chkktri> i noticed that, yes
2012-11-19T18:34:17  <nortti> it has basic plan9 utilities, 8½ and sam
2012-11-19T18:34:20  <chkktri> now, how do i boot flopies from N900?
2012-11-19T18:34:23  <chkktri> :J
2012-11-19T18:34:26  <nortti> you use qemu
2012-11-19T18:34:27  <chkktri> pp*
2012-11-19T18:34:50  <nortti> if my computer can do it then your n900 can also do it
2012-11-19T18:35:13  <nortti> (my computer has less computing power than n900 I think)
2012-11-19T18:35:17  <Nazeo> Also. You are new
2012-11-19T18:35:18  <Nazeo> \o
2012-11-19T18:35:19  <Nazeo> :V
2012-11-19T18:35:31  <nortti> what?
2012-11-19T18:35:33  <chkktri> uh
2012-11-19T18:35:43  <chkktri> looks like i have to compile it first
2012-11-19T18:35:48  <chkktri> not today :U
2012-11-19T18:35:53  <nortti> of course you have to
2012-11-19T18:36:06  <nortti> compile it on maemo :D
2012-11-19T18:36:13  <chkktri> fufufu
2012-11-19T18:36:23  <chkktri> i remember compiling vgmplay on it
2012-11-19T18:36:30  <chkktri> took quite some time
2012-11-19T18:36:55  <chkktri> i'll use crosscompiled from sdk dvd
2012-11-19T18:36:55  <nortti> I can imagine
2012-11-19T18:36:58  <chkktri> r*
2012-11-19T18:37:20  <chkktri> and what's sad there's no OSS support on maemo
2012-11-19T18:37:36  <chkktri> so the only way to play vgms gere is to log them to wav
2012-11-19T18:37:39  <chkktri> oh!
2012-11-19T18:37:45  <nortti> how does the audio system work then?
2012-11-19T18:38:00  <chkktri> pulseaudio
2012-11-19T18:38:09  <nortti> my god! just no
2012-11-19T18:38:20  <chkktri> and there's some propiretary driver :U
2012-11-19T18:38:37  <nortti> are you sure it didn't use alsa or oss previously?
2012-11-19T18:38:44  <chkktri> probably adding libao to vgmplay is a way
2012-11-19T18:38:51  <chkktri> pretty much yes
2012-11-19T18:39:12  <chkktri> and now something releated to this channel:
2012-11-19T18:39:20  <nortti> strange. I thought pulseaudio was newer than 2005
2012-11-19T18:39:48  <chkktri> valleybell will release vgm 1.70 specs and player this month
2012-11-19T18:40:26  <chkktri> it now supports volume setting for SSG part of YM2608
2012-11-19T18:40:49  <chkktri> to put thos short, anybody want to make packs for touhou games? :P
2012-11-19T18:41:02  <chkktri> this*
2012-11-19T18:42:12  <chkktri> first 5 touhou game* ofcourse
2012-11-19T18:42:33  <chkktri> nortti: and what pulseaudio release date have to do with N900?
2012-11-19T18:42:44  <chkktri> that device was released in 2009
2012-11-19T18:42:52  <nortti> chkktri: maemo is older than n900
2012-11-19T18:43:02  <nortti> chkktri: I used maemo in 2005 with 770
2012-11-19T18:43:03  <chkktri> true
2012-11-19T18:43:16  <chkktri> ah, i see
2012-11-19T18:43:41  <chkktri> the might've switched to it in maemo 5
2012-11-19T18:44:56  <nortti> maybe
2012-11-19T18:44:59  <chkktri> sadly even padsp, which is something like oss /dev/dsp(?) emulator if i'm not mistaken, not working
2012-11-19T18:45:04  <nortti> I wonder is forwar porting is possible
2012-11-19T18:45:36  <chkktri> you mean connecting to other PA server that localhost?
2012-11-19T18:45:39  <chkktri> than*
2012-11-19T18:46:47  <nortti> I mean porting sound systems from older maemos to maemo 5
2012-11-19T18:47:10  <chkktri> ah
2012-11-19T18:47:28  <chkktri> lol, read that as port forwarding
2012-11-19T18:48:03  <chkktri> hmm, i'll look on forum for releated stuff
2012-11-19T18:48:27  <chkktri> though i still think that adding libao is better idea
2012-11-19T18:48:54  <chkktri> because under ubuntu oss worked only under root for me
2012-11-19T18:51:42  <Suzuran> It's just not Unix unless it makes you want to throw things.
2012-11-19T18:52:31  <nortti> :D
2012-11-19T18:52:40  <nortti> so you have also used unix v5?
2012-11-19T18:52:41  <chkktri> why should it?
2012-11-19T18:52:55  * Suzuran has an actual printed real Unix source license.
2012-11-19T18:53:14  <chkktri> uh oh
2012-11-19T18:53:16  <nortti> Suzuran: wow. for what version?
2012-11-19T18:53:32  <Suzuran> nortti: All versions below SVR4
2012-11-19T18:53:54  <nortti> :O
2012-11-19T18:53:54  <Suzuran> nortti: Or was it SVR3? I'd have to go read the small print.
2012-11-19T18:54:06  <nortti> wow...
2012-11-19T18:54:17  <Suzuran> It's intended to cover the historical unixes that ran on the PDP-11 and VAX.
2012-11-19T18:54:57  <nortti> I think anything older than system III is under bsd license now
2012-11-19T18:55:22  <Suzuran> That would be news to me. I'm pretty sure they haven't relicensed it.
2012-11-19T18:55:35  <nortti> that happened like 10 years ago
2012-11-19T18:55:55  <Suzuran> Oh, I know that's false
2012-11-19T18:56:02  <nortti> you do?
2012-11-19T18:56:02  <Suzuran> Hang on
2012-11-19T18:56:39  <Suzuran> Nevermind, 2002 is now ten years ago
2012-11-19T18:56:47  <Suzuran> My printed license was issued in the late 90s
2012-11-19T18:56:52  <Suzuran> So yes, that's correct.
2012-11-19T18:57:11  <Suzuran> I was going to say "Because my printed license is less than ten years old", but it's not.
2012-11-19T18:57:39  <nortti> heh
2012-11-19T18:58:01  <Suzuran> In any event, old Unix is not that interesting.
2012-11-19T18:58:07  <Suzuran> The PDP-10 is where it's at.
2012-11-19T18:58:24  <nortti> do you know about twenex.org?
2012-11-19T18:59:30  <Suzuran> I own a PDP-10.
2012-11-19T18:59:38  <Suzuran> I run two instances on the internet.
2012-11-19T18:59:49  <Suzuran> Paul Allen has bought hardware from me for his museum.
2012-11-19T18:59:54  <Suzuran> So yeah, I know about twenex.org
2012-11-19T19:00:17  <nortti> wow
2012-11-19T19:00:33  * Nazeo whistles
2012-11-19T19:01:27  <nortti> Suzuran: what is your pdp-10 running?
2012-11-19T19:01:38  <nortti> +os
2012-11-19T19:01:43  <Suzuran> I have one running TOPS-20 and one running ITS
2012-11-19T19:01:46  <Suzuran> @info ver
2012-11-19T19:01:46  <[Bot]MagicStone> Suzuran: Error: No factoid matches that key.
2012-11-19T19:01:47  <Suzuran>  Bamboo Forest of the Lost, Eientei TOPS-20 Monitor 7.1(21733)
2012-11-19T19:01:48  <Suzuran>  PANDA TOPS-20 Command processor 7.1(4453)-4
2012-11-19T19:01:49  <Suzuran> @systat
2012-11-19T19:01:50  <[Bot]MagicStone> Suzuran: Error: "systat" is not a valid command.
2012-11-19T19:01:50  <Suzuran>  Mon 19-Nov-2012 12:01:24  Up 1009:31:52!
2012-11-19T19:01:51  <Suzuran>  1+9 Jobs   Load av   0.01   0.02   0.02
2012-11-19T19:02:35  <Suzuran> MQ ITS 1648  Peek 630   11/19/1912 12:05:15  Up time = ?9:16:35:34
2012-11-19T19:02:36  <Suzuran> Memory: Free=345   Runnable Total=11 Out=4     Users: High=11 Runnable=1
2012-11-19T19:02:55  <Suzuran> I should probably reboot MQ, the uptime counter rolled around.
2012-11-19T19:03:17  <nortti> I am currently imagining 11 users using it while being high
2012-11-19T19:03:52  <Suzuran> If there are still 11 people total who know how to use ITS, I would be impressed.
2012-11-19T19:04:35  <nortti> ITS stands for incompatible timesharing system, am I right
2012-11-19T19:04:38  <Suzuran> Yes
2012-11-19T19:06:24  <Suzuran> Give me a few minutes
2012-11-19T19:08:08  <Suzuran> I'm gonna sent ITS around to reset the uptime counter
2012-11-19T19:08:11  <Suzuran> *send
2012-11-19T19:09:05  <Suzuran> OK, it's up again.
2012-11-19T19:09:20  <Suzuran> It's at mq.umtec.com if you want to try your luck. (telnet works, but supdup is better)
2012-11-19T19:09:50  <Nazeo> Hmmm
2012-11-19T19:10:10  <nortti> I like how it has luser  command
2012-11-19T19:12:03  <Suzuran> Well, it was from back when you were expected to be a programmer to use the computer
2012-11-19T19:12:14  <Suzuran> The ITS user interface is actually an assembly language debugger.
2012-11-19T19:12:25  <nortti> interesting
2012-11-19T19:12:41  <nortti> does it have some kind of filesystem
2012-11-19T19:12:48  <Suzuran> Yes
2012-11-19T19:12:49  <nortti> +hierarchial
2012-11-19T19:12:54  <Suzuran> Well, no
2012-11-19T19:12:58  <Suzuran> There are directories
2012-11-19T19:13:04  <Suzuran> but no subdirectories
2012-11-19T19:13:27  <Suzuran> Filesystems are DEVICE:DIRECT;ABCDEF ABCDEF
2012-11-19T19:13:43  <Suzuran> where each file has a first and last name, each 6 letters long
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2012-11-19T19:14:08  <Suzuran> There's a limited number of directories, so to actually have a directory of your own was a sign of high satus
2012-11-19T19:14:11  <Suzuran> *status
2012-11-19T19:14:26  <nortti> how limited?
2012-11-19T19:15:07  <Suzuran> It depended on your disk setup. You could allocate more tracks to the directory table to get more directories, but that meant less tracks for file storage
2012-11-19T19:15:30  <Suzuran> I forget what the absolute limit was
2012-11-19T19:18:44  <Suzuran> Also note that while ITS has EMACS, it's the original TECO EMACS and so it's slightly different from GNU EMACS
2012-11-19T19:18:58  <nortti> does it work like teco?
2012-11-19T19:19:07  <nortti> if it does I can use it
2012-11-19T19:20:36  <Suzuran> No, it works like EMACS. There is normal TECO if you know how to use it.
2012-11-19T19:20:47  <Suzuran> TECO EMACS was a very long TECO macro
2012-11-19T19:20:56  <Suzuran> That's what the name meant
2012-11-19T19:21:05  <Suzuran> Editing MACroS
2012-11-19T19:21:16  <nortti> ah
2012-11-19T19:21:28  <nortti> I hope it didn't have lisp interpreter yet
2012-11-19T19:21:38  <Suzuran> What, EMACS or ITS?
2012-11-19T19:21:44  <nortti> emacs
2012-11-19T19:21:47  <Suzuran> It didn't
2012-11-19T19:21:54  <Suzuran> It didn't need one
2012-11-19T19:22:02  <nortti> oh good
2012-11-19T19:22:06  <Suzuran> The Lisp interpreter in Emacs is a replacement for TECO
2012-11-19T19:22:24  <nortti> emacs interpreter implemented in teco macro would just have been insane
2012-11-19T19:22:57  <nortti> why am I thinking about how to do it now?
2012-11-19T19:23:06  <Suzuran> I think there's a teco-mode for GNU Emacs but I dunno if it's shipped as default
2012-11-19T19:23:28  <Suzuran> I think you are backwards
2012-11-19T19:23:32  <Suzuran> Originally there was TECO
2012-11-19T19:23:37  <nortti> I know
2012-11-19T19:23:41  <Suzuran> TECO was hard so they made a macro to make it easier
2012-11-19T19:23:49  <Suzuran> The macro was EMACS, running on top of TECO
2012-11-19T19:24:04  <nortti> first was teco, then emacs was made to make editing easier, then emacs reimplemented without teco
2012-11-19T19:24:05  <Suzuran> When Unix happened, it didn't have a TECO
2012-11-19T19:24:29  <Suzuran> So they made Emacs Lisp, which is used as a surrogate "TECO" to make GNU Emacs
2012-11-19T19:25:48  <Suzuran> The reason they did this is because rms is at heart a Lisp hacker
2012-11-19T19:26:30  <Suzuran> He grew up on a lispm so he wanted something close to that
2012-11-19T19:41:17  <Suzuran> nortti: I approved your account (I was eating lunch)
2012-11-19T19:42:13  <nortti> thanks
2012-11-19T19:42:24  <nortti> it seems it hates ö in adresses
2012-11-19T19:43:28  <Suzuran> Yeah
2012-11-19T19:43:37  <Suzuran> ITS spoke exclusively ASCII
2012-11-19T19:43:44  <Suzuran> There were no accented characters then
2012-11-19T19:43:48  <Suzuran> Just the base set of 127
2012-11-19T19:43:53  <nortti> ah
2012-11-19T19:44:08  <nortti> so I should have used } in its place :P
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2012-11-19T20:34:51  <Nazeo> \o
2012-11-19T20:35:52  <Sosso> hello
2012-11-19T20:41:25  <Nazeo> Going to class
2012-11-19T20:41:26  <Nazeo> \o
2012-11-19T20:41:48  <nortti> night
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2012-11-19T23:29:26  <Nazeo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcSLXyM3jV8
2012-11-19T23:29:27  <[Bot]MagicStone> Title: Hopeless Masquerade Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2012-11-19T23:29:27  <Nazeo> :V
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