2012-09-04T00:10:10 *** fsvgm777 has quit IRC 2012-09-04T00:58:04 *** gin has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T01:49:11 *** gin has quit IRC 2012-09-04T02:37:41 *** gin has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T03:17:23 *** gin has quit IRC 2012-09-04T03:35:02 ... OK, this has to be the most frustrating thing ever. 2012-09-04T03:35:36 Even more than PCB? 2012-09-04T03:35:56 Yup. Here, everything's hardcoded at multiple places 2012-09-04T03:36:11 Damn... 2012-09-04T03:36:17 I hate that 2012-09-04T03:37:07 And the code is convoluted beyond belief. This looks like an unoptimized debug build 2012-09-04T03:38:35 Was it obfuscated? 2012-09-04T03:38:47 Like with some encryption type thingy? 2012-09-04T03:39:00 Nope, the complete opposite. 2012-09-04T03:39:12 Interesting... 2012-09-04T03:41:52 *** Nmlgc1 has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T03:42:34 Dced... 2012-09-04T03:42:57 I'm thinking about just trashing it and writing my own music room loader 2012-09-04T03:43:19 How hard/much time would that be? 2012-09-04T03:43:41 btw, in what language thouhou games are written? 2012-09-04T03:43:54 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2012-09-04T03:43:57 But I can't even begin to wrap my head around the original one because it's so convoluted and I might miss things 2012-09-04T03:44:21 * Nazeo is a sad panda 2012-09-04T03:44:28 nurupo: Looks like plain old C, using as much of the Win32 API as possible 2012-09-04T03:45:32 *** Nmlgc1 is now known as Nmlgc 2012-09-04T03:46:12 at least win32 api is well documanted and you should be able to clearly see the calls from the disassembly x) 2012-09-04T03:46:49 *documented 2012-09-04T03:47:18 Yup. We're just way beyond that now 2012-09-04T03:56:55 OK. I'll let that be now, and once we deal with music room comments, I'll set aside one week just for that 2012-09-04T03:57:24 That should be enough time to rebuild the code in C and gain a thorough understanding 2012-09-04T03:57:28 Ah I see 2012-09-04T04:31:46 Fun fact: ZUN reserves more memory for stage titles than for dialogs in this game 2012-09-04T04:40:28 That is rather... odd 2012-09-04T04:51:16 i wonder if he was drunk) 2012-09-04T04:52:22 That's a question? 2012-09-04T04:54:14 as much as I like to see ZUN as a drunken master, I doubt that 2012-09-04T04:54:39 XD 2012-09-04T05:06:32 Going to bed, starting College, ROTC, and all that crazyness :/ 2012-09-04T05:06:33 \o 2012-09-04T05:06:39 Nite. 2012-09-04T05:06:47 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2012-09-04T06:40:04 <[Bot]TwilightSpa> Here's what Twitter has to say: 2012-09-04T06:40:05 <[Bot]TwilightSpa> NazeoAelkoNezen -- @thpatch Aha, see like I said with I not knowing programming :P 2012-09-04T06:57:07 *** TonyUK has quit IRC 2012-09-04T07:38:44 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has quit IRC 2012-09-04T09:47:22 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2012-09-04T10:16:13 *** chkktri| has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T10:18:30 *** chkktri_ has quit IRC 2012-09-04T10:48:38 *** fsvgm777 has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T15:27:19 *** KyoriAsh has quit IRC 2012-09-04T15:29:32 *** KyoriAsh has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T15:36:16 *** KyoriAsh has quit IRC 2012-09-04T15:37:54 *** KyoriAsh has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T15:53:00 *** Nazeo|College has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T15:53:21 Stopping in, leaving in 30 mins 2012-09-04T16:00:22 *** chkktri has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T16:02:09 *** chkktri| has quit IRC 2012-09-04T16:20:31 *** KyoriAsh has quit IRC 2012-09-04T16:21:34 *** KyoriAsh has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T16:21:50 *** Sosso has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T16:22:23 I gtg 2012-09-04T16:22:25 \o 2012-09-04T16:22:30 *** Nazeo|College has quit IRC 2012-09-04T17:19:02 *** KyoriAsh has quit IRC 2012-09-04T17:25:42 *** KyoriAsh has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T17:43:41 *** gin has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T18:21:55 *** gin has quit IRC 2012-09-04T18:42:52 *** gin has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T19:18:39 *** TonyUK has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T20:19:52 When you think about independent culture in the U.S., what do you think of? Independent music? Independent games? What else? 2012-09-04T20:20:18 Well, change "in the U.S." to "in Western civilization" (i. e. to include Europe, etc.) 2012-09-04T20:28:37 I think think that there is something related to the fictional story/fictional narrative that allows you to feel "into" it, or immersed in it, as if one is "living" in the fictional world; I am sure most have felt that way when reading a book, for example. 2012-09-04T20:29:57 One thought: Although games can tell stories, it is not their main job (excluding adventure games, called "visual novels" in the West); their main job is to provide entertainment, and the story is an enhancement. 2012-09-04T20:40:08 Second thought: of course, we do have many "internet-published" stories on the internet, the most popular of which are fanfiction. However, although stories are something one can feel immersed in, I believe they are missing something: visual appeal. I do question why I think visual appeal is relevant in the first place, but I feel that it is. 2012-09-04T20:43:03 Perhaps the answer is that without "visual appeal," it is not something one can be a "fan" of all that much, despite feeling immersed in the story. Now about comics: I have been attempting to do one myself, but it is taking a surprising amount of concentration power. Definitely not something that can be finished without a lot of time and effort. Would I be able to convince others to do this along with me? I am sure you all know that they do doujinshi in massive qua 2012-09-04T20:43:04 ntities in Japan. 2012-09-04T20:44:28 I am simply unconvinced by all the arguments as to why there isn't a doujinshi culture in the West: from arguments like population density (if so, why not in New York City or in the Netherlands, which have higher population densities), to copyright (there are plentright holders who would be tolerant of this) 2012-09-04T20:45:33 My conclusion is that perhaps with a sufficient "seed," perhaps there can be one started in the U.S.―the main difficulty is convincing people that the time and effort in drawing comics is actually worth it. 2012-09-04T20:46:19 What makes the doujinshi culture different from the mainstream is a certain sense of community and "belonging" so to speak; I would suppose that this would be the main appeal for all this time and effort. 2012-09-04T20:46:46 That is all. 2012-09-04T20:50:20 As for why I am thinking of this all of a sudden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tds0qoxWVss&feature=fvwrel ← after watching this and looking at some of the comments, I wondered, "what is it from Touhou that I hope for, that is not being fulfilled here? It feels like it is missing something, even if everyone knows that it is U.N. Owen and not Death Waltz" 2012-09-04T20:50:21 <[Bot]TwilightSpa> Title: Death Waltz (Impossible Piano Song) [U.N Owen Was Her] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2012-09-04T21:07:31 *** TonyUK has quit IRC 2012-09-04T21:11:40 Perhaps it is that even if everyone knew that it was U.N.Owen and not the Death Waltz, the deeper things related to story and character are still lost... and... even if most of those people subsequently investigated the characters and story, that it for some reason feels too detached from the community if people aren't creating the story themselves... 2012-09-04T21:14:18 I guess that it is somewhat of a strange feeling, but I guess that it's the idea that if people are creating stories in a way that can have popular appeal (i. e. by drawing them), then people have the power to drive the popularity of Touhou characters in a way that has deeper meaning than just by music, but if people are merely translating them from Japanese, then it feels more like a static thing that one is passively watching... 2012-09-04T21:21:24 I believe that without doujinshi, Touhou would never have been as popular as it is in Japan. The reason being, that while doujinshi is something that takes time and effort, it is a means by which almost anyone can drive the popularity of something in a way that is deeper (i. e. story-related) than merely music. 2012-09-04T21:21:41 *** RemiShama has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T21:21:47 Hello 2012-09-04T21:21:55 Oh, hello. 2012-09-04T21:24:19 Hi gin. ^^ 2012-09-04T21:24:59 If there is one reason I just sighed a second ago, it is probably due to thinking about how much time and effort it takes to draw a comic. 2012-09-04T21:25:56 While I do believe it can be a popular activity like it is in Japan with all their doujinshi, it might be a little difficult to convince others to do this with me... ← is what I have been thinking for the past 2 days. 2012-09-04T21:28:32 Uh? 2012-09-04T21:31:54 Well, one of the charms of Touhou is the characters, and without the story, it would be very much a superficial thing. But of course, fanfiction on the internet doesn't have "visual appeal." Which is why I believe that doujinshi is the most important thing missing from Western culture... does this make any sense? 2012-09-04T21:46:09 After all, Touhou probably would not have been much without derivative works. An "open participation" culture where anyone can create more of it, and thereby increase its popularity... 2012-09-04T21:46:46 But as for derivative works in Western culture, we are mostly limited to fanfiction, which does not have enough of a visual appeal to increase the popularity of anything... right? 2012-09-04T21:47:52 Sorry but I dont understand too much, lol. Translator sucks 2012-09-04T21:48:01 Oh, you don't speak English much? 2012-09-04T21:48:05 Not much... 2012-09-04T21:48:30 Well, do you understand: "independent culture"? 2012-09-04T21:49:23 Well, I guess that it isn't something that needs to be discussed currently. 2012-09-04T21:49:53 Uhmmm, yep 2012-09-04T21:50:43 In the end, I guess I must ponder this by myself. 2012-09-04T21:50:59 After all, it is my own task. 2012-09-04T21:53:26 xD 2012-09-04T21:53:34 I need to finish my hentai doujinshi lol. 2012-09-04T21:58:07 Well, I really do want to make doujinshi a more popular activity like it is in Japan, but I guess that it would be difficult. It's a matter of convincing people to take the time and effort to do it. 2012-09-04T21:58:46 Yeah >.< 2012-09-04T22:09:23 *** RemiShama has quit IRC 2012-09-04T22:27:52 *** Sosso has quit IRC 2012-09-04T22:55:18 *** Ibaraki_Ibuki has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T23:15:49 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2012-09-04T23:45:01 *** gin has quit IRC