2012-08-01T00:08:08 *** fsvgm777 has quit IRC 2012-08-01T02:00:14 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2012-08-01T02:21:47 Lemme see if I can do a force injection of De... 2012-08-01T04:01:59 *** Nazeo has quit IRC 2012-08-01T04:15:33 *** KyoriAsh has quit IRC 2012-08-01T04:16:46 *** KyoriAsh has joined #thcrap 2012-08-01T09:27:41 *** fsvgm777 has joined #thcrap 2012-08-01T12:52:55 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap 2012-08-01T16:01:04 *** Nmlgc1 has joined #thcrap 2012-08-01T16:02:19 *** Nmlgc is now known as Nmlgc1 2012-08-01T16:03:07 *** Nmlgc1 is now known as Nmlgc 2012-08-01T16:32:48 *** Nazeo has joined #thcrap 2012-08-01T16:33:04 \o 2012-08-01T16:33:06 Welcome back! 2012-08-01T16:33:07 \o 2012-08-01T16:33:08 ^_^ 2012-08-01T16:33:23 And now, 6 weeks of holidays~ 2012-08-01T16:33:36 Ah really? 2012-08-01T16:33:42 How nice! 2012-08-01T16:34:06 ... and nothing else to do but this project. With all this time, it looks like I actually might get back into making music. 2012-08-01T16:35:09 Excellent, you were always good at music creation. 2012-08-01T16:35:18 Anyway... 2012-08-01T16:35:40 I suppose your copy-pasting of the English translations is part of Project Taisaku? 2012-08-01T16:35:58 I want to speak to you about that 2012-08-01T16:53:11 ... Ah, OK, got it. 2012-08-01T16:54:16 This might be useful for the other translations too. On the translation special page, there is this feature which displays existing translations for every box 2012-08-01T16:54:23 ... which doesn't work right now -.- 2012-08-01T16:54:46 This way, people wouldn't have to look at en.touhouwiki.net all the time. 2012-08-01T16:55:11 Oh... 2012-08-01T16:55:55 Then again, the same thing I said to TonyUK also applies here: 2012-08-01T16:56:39 If I notice that our copy starts to differ from .net's, I'll get rid of those pages 2012-08-01T16:56:43 Right. Make sure there is no inconsistences 2012-08-01T16:56:46 Roger 2012-08-01T16:59:18 Also, there would have been the option to force our template structure upon .net 2012-08-01T16:59:42 The patcher will be perfectly able to fetch e.g. dialog translations from .net and endings from our wiki 2012-08-01T17:00:00 How feasible is it? 2012-08-01T17:01:37 It's just a lot of busywork, rewriting the pages to use the old two-column layout and their template names while retaining our parameters 2012-08-01T17:02:32 I could do busywork 2012-08-01T17:02:43 Aside from that, there's no sensible argument against it. Except for maybe "this will indirectly support a rogue wiki" 2012-08-01T17:03:11 :/ 2012-08-01T17:03:42 We're not rogue... we just go against the grain :P 2012-08-01T17:04:16 ... or "if every user of the patch downloads the pages every time, this may equal a DDoS attack on our server"? 2012-08-01T17:04:31 Oh my... 2012-08-01T17:05:09 I'm still worried whether my server would even be able to pull this off. 2012-08-01T17:05:28 You could always use mine, member'? 2012-08-01T17:05:37 Right. Just wanted to suggest that :-) 2012-08-01T17:06:01 ^_^ 2012-08-01T17:06:28 ... but after all, we'd still need the English translations stored locally for TonyUK's en-gb plans 2012-08-01T17:06:43 Hmm. 2012-08-01T17:06:48 Oh 2012-08-01T17:08:34 The easiest solution now would be to... move the copy-pasted stuff directly to en-gb and to let TonyUK take care of both synchronization and British English changes 2012-08-01T17:08:50 Oh, ok 2012-08-01T17:08:57 Because if en-gb differs from touhouwiki.net, he will most likely be the only one who cares about it 2012-08-01T17:09:30 True 2012-08-01T17:13:28 The only disadvantage: We will never "beat touhouwiki.net" in the "main translation source" department. But: 2012-08-01T17:15:44 Having en-gb on our site will "feel" no different to most readers and translators 2012-08-01T17:16:18 This will encourage more "localized" translators to start helping out too 2012-08-01T17:17:27 And I would get around the language variety implementation for now :-) 2012-08-01T17:18:04 ... well, at least until we deal with the endings. 2012-08-01T17:18:19 That will be fun... 2012-08-01T17:18:56 OK, it's settled then. I'll move those en translations to en-gb later. 2012-08-01T17:19:15 Kk! 2012-08-01T17:19:41 Now, for the "forcing our structure upon .net" part. 2012-08-01T17:19:56 Well... 2012-08-01T17:20:09 Does this require .net to do anything on thier side? 2012-08-01T17:20:18 I have trouble getting them to make beans :/ 2012-08-01T17:21:09 Nope. It just requires... well, love and tolerance 2012-08-01T17:21:24 Ah that 2012-08-01T17:25:00 Basically, you would just have to copy-paste 10,000 time codes, and rewrite untemplated pages to use DialogTable instead 2012-08-01T17:25:26 I see... 2012-08-01T17:28:56 Also, you'd have to get rid of this nice "character box grouping", where successive dialog boxes for the same character are grouped into one DialogTable call 2012-08-01T17:29:16 And this seems to have permeated all of those pages by now 2012-08-01T17:29:39 And not make a single mistake :P 2012-08-01T17:30:05 Well, if you do make one, it's easy to spot when testing it through the patcher. 2012-08-01T17:30:14 Especially with the danmaku skipping. 2012-08-01T17:30:38 Say I do all of this; Scale one to ten on how useful it would be? 2012-08-01T17:33:30 Well, all in all, this allows us to expand this project to English translations too. Therefore, the same arguments as for this project as a whole would apply here too 2012-08-01T17:33:55 I guess it's way more useful for th06/07/08 than for the newer games 2012-08-01T17:34:14 So maybe we should focus on those first 2012-08-01T17:34:25 if we were to do this at all. 2012-08-01T17:34:48 In that case, gimmie a schedule on how much I should do etc 2012-08-01T17:34:59 And... perhaps a walkthrough, lol 2012-08-01T17:41:19 OK... we'll just start with EoSD for now 2012-08-01T17:41:26 Ok 2012-08-01T17:42:07 http://raw.thpatch.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Story/Reimu%27s_Scenario 2012-08-01T17:42:52 Kk 2012-08-01T17:43:48 And how should it look like? 2012-08-01T17:44:20 First, match up touhouwiki.net's DialogTable template calls with ours. There should only be 2 Japanese and English lines at most per template 2012-08-01T17:44:39 Ok 2012-08-01T17:44:39 Then, copy-paste the |code parameter 2012-08-01T17:45:29 In the case of that first, invisible box: That should be a separate DialogTable too, but you can comment it out using 2012-08-01T17:45:43 Ok 2012-08-01T17:46:45 That should be everything. Don't do anything else, don't copy the tags or our /status DialogTables :-) 2012-08-01T17:46:58 Roger 2012-08-01T17:48:06 * Nmlgc tries to build a thcrap_loader for th06 2012-08-01T17:48:37 It's not that different, is it? 2012-08-01T17:49:16 It probably is, since it's the only game to use multiple .dat files, and with Japanese names too 2012-08-01T17:49:51 So the future games are more optimized? 2012-08-01T17:50:31 Hah, no. They do enough weird and complicating stuff on their own. :-) 2012-08-01T17:50:40 XD 2012-08-01T17:51:05 This is just a matter of implementing AppLocale functionality into thcrap, shouldn't really be a big deal. 2012-08-01T18:04:13 Oh my. This game reads data files... one byte at a time. 2012-08-01T18:04:28 Oh dear... 2012-08-01T18:04:33 That will take 4ever 2012-08-01T18:05:07 And I thought that there can't be anything more stupid than it's BGM engine in there... 2012-08-01T18:05:16 *its BGM engine 2012-08-01T18:10:35 Since we can theoretically replace all the data files with external versions, we could reduce the loading times to an unnoticeable amount 2012-08-01T18:10:57 People won't have to translate the splash screen then, because they'll never see it anyway :-) 2012-08-01T18:11:03 Oh that's awesom- wait a second... I see what you did there! 2012-08-01T18:11:14 Well, if u think it is worth it 2012-08-01T21:31:51 brb 2012-08-01T22:25:43 and back 2012-08-01T22:29:07 Hmmm 2012-08-01T22:29:41 Hmm? 2012-08-01T22:29:48 Odd sort of request, but I don't see anyone using ItineraryD or User_Database... 2012-08-01T22:30:12 Would it help out Twlight if she was taken out? 2012-08-01T22:30:31 That wouldn't matter. 2012-08-01T22:30:55 Oh, I thought it would tax resources 2012-08-01T23:17:03 *** Nmlgc has quit IRC 2012-08-01T23:23:24 *** Nmlgc has joined #thcrap