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2012-05-18T02:52:24  <Nazeo> \o
2012-05-18T02:52:37  <Nmlgc> Hi there~
2012-05-18T02:52:41  <Nmlgc> And thanks for the kind words.
2012-05-18T02:52:51  <Nazeo> I meant every one of them.
2012-05-18T02:53:12  <Nazeo> Sigh...
2012-05-18T02:53:23  <Nmlgc> Well, first, the good news.
2012-05-18T02:53:50  <Nmlgc> The Western Arrange Scene is actually, right now, in the process of being realized
2012-05-18T02:54:05  <Nazeo> YESSSS!!!!
2012-05-18T02:54:10  <Nazeo> I'm so glad for you!
2012-05-18T02:54:20  <Nmlgc> ... well, not completely how I had hoped, but it's still better than nothing.
2012-05-18T02:54:35  <Nazeo> There's always room for improvement; as with anything
2012-05-18T02:54:56  <Nmlgc> http://distantphantasm.com/
2012-05-18T02:54:58  <[Bot]TwilightSpa> Title: Distant Phantasm (at distantphantasm.com)
2012-05-18T02:54:59  <Nmlgc> That's it.
2012-05-18T02:55:15  * Nazeo whistles
2012-05-18T02:55:22  <Nazeo> Lookin good
2012-05-18T02:56:17  <Nazeo> Could I add the page to my website?
2012-05-18T02:56:25  <Nazeo> I went into an overhaul
2012-05-18T02:56:34  <Nazeo> So it displays properly for everyone
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2012-05-18T02:57:42  <Nmlgc1> (02:55:15) ***Nazeo whistles
2012-05-18T02:57:43  <Nmlgc1> (02:55:23) Nazeo: Lookin good << That's the last thing I got
2012-05-18T02:58:06  <Nazeo> [19:56] <Nazeo> Could I add the page to my website?
2012-05-18T02:58:07  <Nazeo> [19:56] <Nazeo> I went into an overhaul
2012-05-18T02:58:07  <Nazeo> [19:56] <Nazeo> So it displays properly for everyone
2012-05-18T02:58:18  <Nmlgc1> Sure, why not.
2012-05-18T02:58:26  <Nazeo> Kk!
2012-05-18T02:58:38  <Nmlgc1> It's not _my_ page, of course. I don't care about these things anymore, as I said
2012-05-18T02:58:49  <Nazeo> Right.
2012-05-18T02:59:13  <Nmlgc1> Then, the patch thingy is progressing very well. I will have some screenshots for PoFV tomorrow
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2012-05-18T02:59:26  <Nazeo> Was it hard to do?
2012-05-18T03:00:04  <Nmlgc1> It was OK, more or less. This is just the Wiki->MSG data conversion part for now
2012-05-18T03:00:29  <Nazeo> I'm sure you can develop a codec for that
2012-05-18T03:00:35  <Nmlgc1> The "real" patching application that injects the translated data into the game will be made next week
2012-05-18T03:00:57  <Nazeo> That's really awesome man
2012-05-18T03:01:04  <Nmlgc1> OK... bad news now.
2012-05-18T03:01:08  <Nazeo> Kk
2012-05-18T03:01:12  * Nazeo steels self
2012-05-18T03:01:37  <Nmlgc1> Momiji de-linked wiki.touhou-forum.de from touhouwiki.net as a direct result of me banning her
2012-05-18T03:01:44  <Nazeo> Correct
2012-05-18T03:01:49  <Nazeo> She also banned you
2012-05-18T03:01:54  <Nmlgc1> Heh. Cool.
2012-05-18T03:01:57  <Nazeo> As a result of the same
2012-05-18T03:02:16  <Nmlgc1> So I think that door is closed for me. No forgiving, no making peace.
2012-05-18T03:02:17  <Nazeo> About that
2012-05-18T03:02:28  <Nazeo> There is still a chance man
2012-05-18T03:02:30  <Nazeo> Trust me
2012-05-18T03:02:39  <Nazeo> If you take it, I'll make sure there is a window
2012-05-18T03:02:40  <Nmlgc1> But I don't want it.
2012-05-18T03:02:43  <Nazeo> Ah
2012-05-18T03:02:44  <Nazeo> I see
2012-05-18T03:03:03  <Nmlgc1> This was just a worthless signal that I don't support what she is doing
2012-05-18T03:03:13  <Nmlgc1> And she? Tries to harm me
2012-05-18T03:03:26  <Nazeo> We threw the first punch though...
2012-05-18T03:03:31  <Nmlgc1> It's just... that it doesn't really harm either
2012-05-18T03:03:45  <Nmlgc1> I get more link traffic from Wikia than from .net, actually
2012-05-18T03:04:22  <Nmlgc1> So, having lost the interwiki links from .net is nothing but a very minor inconvenience
2012-05-18T03:04:41  <Nazeo> I have a question though...
2012-05-18T03:04:50  <Nazeo> Do you think it's going to end there?
2012-05-18T03:05:17  <Nmlgc1> Yes. I don't see any reason to try to "harm" Momiji
2012-05-18T03:05:33  <Nazeo> So you think they'll see it the same way?
2012-05-18T03:05:57  <Nazeo> Cuz man, I'm fighting here.
2012-05-18T03:06:08  <Nmlgc1> You don't need to, man...
2012-05-18T03:06:21  <Nazeo> I hate the wrongs done to you.
2012-05-18T03:06:24  <Nmlgc1> Besides, I do enjoy the status of a "rogue wiki" of sorts
2012-05-18T03:06:59  <Nazeo> Let's just say I have a feeling things will work out if we make peace
2012-05-18T03:07:20  <Nazeo> Plus, I know how sexy being "rogue" feels, but after a while that wears off
2012-05-18T03:07:28  <Nazeo> Then you feel lonely.
2012-05-18T03:07:57  <Nmlgc1> The patch will decide how "lonely" I truly will end up feeling.
2012-05-18T03:08:03  <Nazeo> I see...
2012-05-18T03:09:11  <Nazeo> I said I wouldn't beg; just the last thing I would say about this that you don't have to make peace now or do something humongous, just leave the door open in case you wanna
2012-05-18T03:10:40  <Nmlgc1> Well, I certainly won't shut it further
2012-05-18T03:10:57  <Nazeo> Thx man; I appreciate it
2012-05-18T03:11:02  <Nazeo> Srry for the whole spanish thing
2012-05-18T03:11:18  <Nazeo> I was going to keep doing it, but stupid RL kept zapping me!
2012-05-18T03:11:39  <Nazeo> First I had to do a stupid movie for Cargill (took 15 hrs for conversion)
2012-05-18T03:11:56  <Nazeo> Then I had to do a silly school thing to take a picture with the Packers
2012-05-18T03:11:59  <Nazeo> Bleh...
2012-05-18T03:12:13  <Nazeo> And in doing so, I skipped my Scholarship Essay by accident
2012-05-18T03:12:19  <Nmlgc1> I see. Well, one stage is enough for me to start working
2012-05-18T03:12:29  <Nazeo> Right; I'll keep em going
2012-05-18T03:12:34  <Nazeo> I have free time now
2012-05-18T03:12:39  <Nazeo> I'll start right away
2012-05-18T03:12:49  <Nmlgc1> Still thanks for doing it! It actually was necessary just now.
2012-05-18T03:12:59  <Nazeo> (=w=) d
2012-05-18T03:13:10  <Nmlgc1> PoFV has emerged as the "easiest" game to patch, so I started with that one.
2012-05-18T03:14:03  <Nazeo> Are the words text or a pic?
2012-05-18T03:14:16  <Nmlgc1> Um... Text?
2012-05-18T03:14:22  <Nazeo> Makes sense
2012-05-18T03:14:25  <Nazeo> the latter would be hard
2012-05-18T03:14:49  <Nmlgc1> We actually will have to deal with the latter sooner or later, doing some kind of automated text -> pic conversion
2012-05-18T03:15:23  <Nmlgc1> But first, let's start with the easy text stuff. Dialogues, Spell Cards, Music Room, and the endings
2012-05-18T03:15:29  <Nmlgc1> Oh, and don't be shy. Just hit the "Save" button on the wiki instead of using the Dropbox ^_^
2012-05-18T03:15:42  <Nazeo> Kk!
2012-05-18T03:15:51  <Nazeo> I just don't like spamming the recents
2012-05-18T03:16:04  <Nmlgc1> I think they are in dire need of some spam right now
2012-05-18T03:16:12  <Nazeo> Lol, kk
2012-05-18T03:16:39  <Nmlgc1> Two more things before I go to bed:
2012-05-18T03:16:44  <Nazeo> Kk
2012-05-18T03:17:13  <Nmlgc1> First, the final nail in the coffin about that AppCat thing you recommended.
2012-05-18T03:17:24  <Nazeo> Yes?
2012-05-18T03:18:52  <Nmlgc1> Many of the administrative tasks on the forum are unfortunately handled, completely out of plain sight, in Skype or Steam conference calls between the administration and other users who... well, might be lucky to be there at the time
2012-05-18T03:19:31  <Nmlgc1> I do not like this lack of transparency myself, and I even wrote a long forum post criticizing this behavior, but to no avail.
2012-05-18T03:19:44  <Nazeo> I see; that either means we are either completely in their mercy or we gotta start grassroots style.
2012-05-18T03:19:47  <Nazeo> Oh?
2012-05-18T03:19:50  <Nazeo> So they wanna ignore us?
2012-05-18T03:19:53  <Nazeo> Ha
2012-05-18T03:19:58  <Nmlgc1> Well... It's just too convenient for them.
2012-05-18T03:19:58  <Nazeo> We are hard people to ignore
2012-05-18T03:20:02  <Nazeo> Right...
2012-05-18T03:20:39  <Nmlgc1> And people don't even seem to care if previously highly frequented subforums are suddenly invisible
2012-05-18T03:20:54  <Nazeo> We could take that to our advantage...
2012-05-18T03:21:01  <Nazeo> replace em :V
2012-05-18T03:21:28  <Nmlgc1> ... either that or they just PM the admins. "Because no one cares about administrative stuff, and it would just spam the forum"
2012-05-18T03:21:43  <Nazeo> -_-
2012-05-18T03:21:48  <Nmlgc1> Which is kind of a moot point considering how little posts we get per day
2012-05-18T03:22:08  <Nazeo> They speak English?
2012-05-18T03:22:21  <Nmlgc1> Of course, everyone in Germany does :-)
2012-05-18T03:22:28  <Nazeo> Good.
2012-05-18T03:22:37  <Nazeo> I think I shall be making some calls tonoght
2012-05-18T03:22:42  <Nazeo> *tonight
2012-05-18T03:22:53  <Nmlgc1> Though Kamiro might have some problems with English grammar ;-)
2012-05-18T03:23:13  <Nazeo> So does Kyo, but I don't give him a hard time with it ;)
2012-05-18T03:23:52  <Nmlgc1> And that's probably the only serious criticism I would have had about the .net Facebook page
2012-05-18T03:24:10  <Nazeo> Oh, that.
2012-05-18T03:24:15  <Nmlgc1> That is, Kyo's bad grammar painting it in a rather bad an unprofessional light.
2012-05-18T03:24:23  <Nazeo> Y'know I can denote admins to it
2012-05-18T03:24:30  <Nazeo> Ah...
2012-05-18T03:24:37  <Nazeo> Well, to be fair
2012-05-18T03:24:49  <Nazeo> I was slacking in that, so he had no choice
2012-05-18T03:24:59  <Nazeo> It's my fault the bad grammars are in place
2012-05-18T03:25:04  <Nazeo> :/
2012-05-18T03:25:21  <Nazeo> And no edits to posts...
2012-05-18T03:25:42  <Nmlgc1> Right, I saw your Spanish getting corrected
2012-05-18T03:25:52  <Nazeo> uh huh
2012-05-18T03:25:54  <Nazeo> But
2012-05-18T03:26:03  <Nazeo> I went with ur "Profit" stargetdy
2012-05-18T03:26:08  <Nazeo> I got a guy willing to work
2012-05-18T03:26:13  <Nazeo> But uh, only on vacations
2012-05-18T03:26:14  <Nazeo> lol
2012-05-18T03:26:27  <Nmlgc1> Still, fair enough. :-)
2012-05-18T03:26:44  <Nazeo> Much to my chargin, that is an incontestable fact
2012-05-18T03:26:45  <Nazeo> lol
2012-05-18T03:27:09  <Nmlgc1> But we digress. About that app thing...
2012-05-18T03:27:24  <Nazeo> Ya?
2012-05-18T03:27:33  <Nazeo> This really can work
2012-05-18T03:27:44  <Nmlgc1> What I wanted to say is that even I wouldn't know every administrative plan.
2012-05-18T03:27:45  <Nazeo> Don't tell anyone, but I'm going to do a sort of "call to arms"
2012-05-18T03:27:48  <Nazeo> Oh
2012-05-18T03:27:49  <Nazeo> That kk
2012-05-18T03:27:54  <Nazeo> I will find people
2012-05-18T03:28:21  <Nazeo> Since Touhou is a "participatory culture", it's only fair we let the other fans help up ^_^
2012-05-18T03:28:30  <Nazeo> *out, not up
2012-05-18T03:28:33  <Nmlgc1> I see what you did there.
2012-05-18T03:28:43  <Nazeo> (=w=) d
2012-05-18T03:29:32  <Nmlgc1> Um... But I don't think you should outright call some forum people, as you wanted to do...
2012-05-18T03:29:45  <Nazeo> It'll be general,
2012-05-18T03:29:50  <Nazeo> After that, i do not comment
2012-05-18T03:29:58  <Nazeo> Just let the ones who want to, do it
2012-05-18T03:30:00  <Nazeo> :/
2012-05-18T03:30:03  <Nmlgc1> Hatate for example already is kinda... sceptical about you.
2012-05-18T03:30:08  <Nazeo> Oh.
2012-05-18T03:30:10  <Nazeo> I see
2012-05-18T03:30:29  <Nazeo> So, if not forums, what is the next best call?
2012-05-18T03:30:36  <Nazeo> I plan to spread word of mouth
2012-05-18T03:30:43  <Nmlgc1> Apparently, you... "need to be dealt with in a very specific way", so to speak
2012-05-18T03:30:44  <Nazeo> just need a beginning point...
2012-05-18T03:30:51  <Nazeo> Oh...
2012-05-18T03:30:58  <Nazeo> I'm not worried
2012-05-18T03:31:02  <Nmlgc1> Momiji was unable to do this.
2012-05-18T03:31:10  <Nazeo> The worst thing they did was let the dog off it's leash
2012-05-18T03:31:11  <Nmlgc1> And Hatate seems to be reacting the same
2012-05-18T03:31:14  <Nazeo> So to speak.
2012-05-18T03:31:33  <Nazeo> Yeah, those guys are rather paranoid
2012-05-18T03:31:46  <Nazeo> That is why the decesion about you; they take you as a threat
2012-05-18T03:31:51  <Nazeo> Hilarity ensued
2012-05-18T03:31:52  <Nazeo> :/
2012-05-18T03:32:03  * Nazeo shakes head
2012-05-18T03:32:09  <Nazeo> I hate hasty decesions like that
2012-05-18T03:32:18  <Nazeo> Momiji is a victim of groupthink
2012-05-18T03:33:06  <Nmlgc1> Yeah, but think about it. Why do they decide this way?
2012-05-18T03:33:26  <Nazeo> ...I still don't know
2012-05-18T03:33:45  <Nazeo> This was how Tony64/Kyori got banned, how Tos got banned, and how I got banned
2012-05-18T03:33:52  <Nazeo> And now, it's you
2012-05-18T03:33:53  <Nazeo> :(
2012-05-18T03:34:22  <Nazeo> Besides
2012-05-18T03:34:30  <Nazeo> For each of these, there is opposition
2012-05-18T03:35:08  <Nmlgc1> ... What, Tony64 too?
2012-05-18T03:35:16  <Nazeo> Uh huh
2012-05-18T03:35:19  <Nazeo> Btw
2012-05-18T03:35:29  <Nazeo> All of these were made my misunderstandings...
2012-05-18T03:35:38  <Nazeo> this is the majority of conflicts...
2012-05-18T03:35:41  <Nazeo> Sigh.
2012-05-18T03:35:48  <Nazeo> Oh btw
2012-05-18T03:35:53  <Nmlgc1> I know. It's always like that in life.
2012-05-18T03:36:08  <Nazeo> For some unexplained reason, Momiji has it out for Tony64 and I
2012-05-18T03:36:14  <Nazeo> Idk even today
2012-05-18T03:36:19  * Nazeo shrugs
2012-05-18T03:36:24  <Nazeo> But, I'm still cool with her
2012-05-18T03:36:31  <Nazeo> I'm sure she has her reasons
2012-05-18T03:36:50  <Nmlgc1> That reminds me.
2012-05-18T03:36:53  <Nazeo> ?
2012-05-18T03:37:26  <Nmlgc1> Before setting up our own wiki, Kamiro and Grife tried to adopt the old de.touhouwiki.net
2012-05-18T03:37:43  <Nazeo> I heard of that story...
2012-05-18T03:37:53  <Nazeo> Grife was an Wikia Vet
2012-05-18T03:38:26  <Nmlgc1> And Momiji gave them a rather bad first impression. Slow page load times, some kind of 1-day lock and certain other limits.
2012-05-18T03:38:46  <Nazeo> Ah.
2012-05-18T03:39:11  <Nazeo> That's why the set off on thier own, correct?
2012-05-18T03:39:33  <Nmlgc1> They went away fearing that Momiji may easily throw them out once they've did a certain amount of work
2012-05-18T03:39:39  <Nmlgc1> Yes.
2012-05-18T03:39:50  <Nazeo> oh
2012-05-18T03:39:55  <Nazeo> That's...
2012-05-18T03:40:00  <Nazeo> Thats very sad
2012-05-18T03:40:11  <Nazeo> I can't imagine living like that
2012-05-18T03:40:24  <Nazeo> Just knowing that when you make something you can be easily replaced...
2012-05-18T03:40:39  * Nazeo shivers
2012-05-18T03:40:53  <Nazeo> I had the opposite problem
2012-05-18T03:41:08  <Nazeo> I felt if I didn't do enough edits, Momiji will deem me useless and throw me away
2012-05-18T03:41:21  * Nazeo shrugs
2012-05-18T03:41:41  <Nmlgc1> Because... ? There are so many editors with very few edits.
2012-05-18T03:41:42  <Nazeo> But
2012-05-18T03:41:47  <Nazeo> Yeah
2012-05-18T03:41:50  <Nazeo> That's true.
2012-05-18T03:41:59  <Nazeo> !
2012-05-18T03:42:00  <Nazeo> That reminds me
2012-05-18T03:42:14  <Nazeo> Momiji was wondering why there was so much negaitvity under her command
2012-05-18T03:42:32  <Nazeo> She didn't say it like that, but she felt there was a lot of hate for no reason
2012-05-18T03:42:41  <Nazeo> What is your anwser?
2012-05-18T03:42:50  <Nazeo> Cuz I didn't have one for her
2012-05-18T03:43:25  <Nmlgc1> It's just the way this fanbase goes.
2012-05-18T03:43:31  <Nmlgc1> This is not My Little Pony.
2012-05-18T03:43:37  <Nazeo> Right.
2012-05-18T03:43:44  <Nazeo> There hate comes outside the fanbase
2012-05-18T03:43:47  <Nazeo> Ours comes from within
2012-05-18T03:44:00  <Nazeo> :(
2012-05-18T03:44:22  <Nazeo> I wanna make it friendly again
2012-05-18T03:44:33  <Nazeo> Lunatic Red hasn't this persoanilty
2012-05-18T03:44:36  <Nmlgc1> You can't please everybody here. It's too broken for that.
2012-05-18T03:44:41  <Nazeo> Right
2012-05-18T03:44:59  <Nazeo> That's probably why I have such a hard time of it >.<
2012-05-18T03:45:27  <Nazeo> But
2012-05-18T03:45:31  <Nazeo> I feel it's worth it
2012-05-18T03:45:38  <Nazeo> That why I give it my all
2012-05-18T03:45:57  <Nazeo> Picking up the pieces is something necessary to make room for growth
2012-05-18T03:46:04  <Nmlgc1> Yeah. I felt that internet fame it can bring you
2012-05-18T03:46:22  <Nmlgc1> But sometimes I just wish that Touhou as a whole would have never existed
2012-05-18T03:46:29  <Nazeo> I know what you mean
2012-05-18T03:46:40  <Nazeo> Cuz there is no turning back now...
2012-05-18T03:46:44  <Nazeo> Well, at least for me
2012-05-18T03:46:47  <Nmlgc1> That's what I wrote as conclusion of my personal appeal
2012-05-18T03:47:04  <Nazeo> ...Momiji got offened when she saw her name on it
2012-05-18T03:47:12  <Nazeo> She took it as an personal attack :(
2012-05-18T03:47:27  <Nazeo> I tried to tell her otherwise, but I got silenced
2012-05-18T03:47:30  <Nmlgc1> So much for interpreting stuff into a language you don't know
2012-05-18T03:47:34  <Nazeo> lol
2012-05-18T03:47:45  <Nazeo> I made my es pages google translate friednly
2012-05-18T03:47:51  <Nazeo> So that won't happen
2012-05-18T03:47:58  <Nazeo> Was a direct result because that happened
2012-05-18T03:48:09  <Nmlgc1> I merely stated that I didn't support her plans for De
2012-05-18T03:48:24  <Nazeo> That's a fair statement.
2012-05-18T03:48:55  <Nmlgc1> And if there was any reason for a German Touhou Wiki to exist, it would be a different one than what she suggested.
2012-05-18T03:49:04  <Nazeo> That is also fair
2012-05-18T03:49:10  <Nmlgc1> That is, something entirely new that the fanbase hasn't seen before.
2012-05-18T03:49:10  <Nazeo> Groupthink is evil!
2012-05-18T03:49:25  <Nmlgc1> That is: De shall first and foremost be a translation patch server
2012-05-18T03:49:39  <Nazeo> "If you want a sure-fire way to make enemies, try changing something"
2012-05-18T03:49:46  <Nazeo> And dude
2012-05-18T03:49:51  <Nazeo> That is so cool
2012-05-18T03:50:04  <Nmlgc1> For those patches, I needed a wiki where I have free reins on everything, including the hosting.
2012-05-18T03:50:10  <Nmlgc1> And that's the only reason I own De now
2012-05-18T03:50:24  <Nmlgc1> Do with the character pages what you will
2012-05-18T03:50:35  <Nazeo> I see.
2012-05-18T03:50:40  <Nmlgc1> Spam pointless stuff into the main namespace. I don't care.
2012-05-18T03:51:03  <Nmlgc1> As long as the patches are working, you are free to do everything that you think will help the fanbase
2012-05-18T03:51:11  <Nazeo> Will do :3
2012-05-18T03:51:13  <Nmlgc1> That's the Golden Rule of De.
2012-05-18T03:55:52  <Nazeo> Oh, Tony64 and some others may be coming on the weekend
2012-05-18T03:55:55  <Nazeo> Just as a FYI
2012-05-18T03:56:06  <Nmlgc1> Nice.
2012-05-18T03:56:28  <Nmlgc1> "TonyUK" actually was here for a few seconds today
2012-05-18T03:56:35  <Nazeo> Oh...
2012-05-18T03:56:39  <Nazeo> I missed him
2012-05-18T03:56:49  <Nmlgc1> He quickly left after he saw me. Probably.
2012-05-18T03:56:57  <Nazeo> Nah
2012-05-18T03:57:05  <Nazeo> I'm sure he was busy
2012-05-18T03:57:12  <Nazeo> Besides, he likes you
2012-05-18T03:57:28  <Nazeo> He has you on his User Page
2012-05-18T03:57:39  <Nmlgc1> Heh, nice.
2012-05-18T03:58:20  <Nmlgc1> Well, I'm going to sleep now
2012-05-18T03:58:28  <Nazeo> Nite!
2012-05-18T03:58:31  <Nazeo> \o
2012-05-18T03:58:36  <Nmlgc1> \o
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